shah269 0 #51 September 7, 2011 You know what it could be.....and not trying to be rude here....when you have 52 dudes and 2 chicks....well the chicks can be so so but when they are around 52 dudes they tend to "appear" to be better looking. That's why the engineering girls "collect" dudes. And a few girls I know. It's not that they get along better with guys than girls, it's just that well.....ever see a really hot chick and her NOT SO HOT friend. Well her NOT SO HOT friend's job is to make the hotter chick look even HOTTTER! And when there are say 52 dudes those 2 chicks will look 52 times hotter!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #52 September 7, 2011 hey Shah... We should hang out Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #53 September 7, 2011 Quote hey Shah... We should hang out Sure why not. But the OP...interesting. Didn't I put up a thread about students developing crushes on their instructors and some one indicated a number of guys had crushes on their female instructors? This could be that. Funky!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #54 September 7, 2011 And when there are say 52 dudes those 2 chicks will look 52 times hotter! Quote Must be the 'new math' I keep hearin' about... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #55 September 7, 2011 Quote And when there are say 52 dudes those 2 chicks will look 52 times hotter! Quote Must be the 'new math' I keep hearin' about... Hum......OK...say you had all these girls at your local DZ http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150273720789086.331057.6280019085 (NEVER FRIEND Playboy!) OK one by one these girls are really freaking HOT! But if you had all say 52 of them they would appear to be 52 times less hot...because if one gives you attitude there are another 51 girls to talk to! Right? Why do you think dudes are willing to step over their own mother for a ticket to the Playboy Halloween costume party thing? BUT If there are only 2 girls who looked good and say...there are 52 guys. All of a sudden these girls look 52 times hotter because well, if one shoots you down life is really going to suck. And with what...15% of all skydivers as chicks.....we dudes become the "token" ugly friend. Thus any guy showing up, such as the OP, will look around see all of us dumb asses picking our noses and packing our parachutes and then see two girls and think that they are the hottest thing walking the face of this earth. I think there exists an actual psychological term for this? Though I'm not sure. HOWEVER! For those of us able to elevate above the static, this thread is truly an interesting dissection of DZ drama. Note guy walks on to DZ and notes two to three attractive girls, and his first reaction is to his primitive instincts of "bulking up". My god if you were to study this encounter as if it were baboons mating we would really be no different would we? Puffed up chests, maybe a little loud talking, some chest thumping a few random acts of violence and maybe a few daring acts to show courage. Funny if you sit and really think about it.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #56 September 7, 2011 Quote Quote hey Shah... We should hang out Sure why not. The Odd Couple"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #57 September 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote hey Shah... We should hang out Sure why not. The Odd Couple I didnt know Vader swung that way.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #58 September 8, 2011 Quote Quote And when there are say 52 dudes those 2 chicks will look 52 times hotter! Quote Must be the 'new math' I keep hearin' about... Hum......OK...say you had all these girls at your local DZ http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150273720789086.331057.6280019085 (NEVER FRIEND Playboy!) OK one by one these girls are really freaking HOT! But if you had all say 52 of them they would appear to be 52 times less hot...because if one gives you attitude there are another 51 girls to talk to! Right? Why do you think dudes are willing to step over their own mother for a ticket to the Playboy Halloween costume party thing? BUT If there are only 2 girls who looked good and say...there are 52 guys. All of a sudden these girls look 52 times hotter because well, if one shoots you down life is really going to suck. And with what...15% of all skydivers as chicks.....we dudes become the "token" ugly friend. Thus any guy showing up, such as the OP, will look around see all of us dumb asses picking our noses and packing our parachutes and then see two girls and think that they are the hottest thing walking the face of this earth. I think there exists an actual psychological term for this? Though I'm not sure. HOWEVER! For those of us able to elevate above the static, this thread is truly an interesting dissection of DZ drama. Note guy walks on to DZ and notes two to three attractive girls, and his first reaction is to his primitive instincts of "bulking up". My god if you were to study this encounter as if it were baboons mating we would really be no different would we? Puffed up chests, maybe a little loud talking, some chest thumping a few random acts of violence and maybe a few daring acts to show courage. Funny if you sit and really think about it. ---and the OLD bull said, Lets WALK down the hill and... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #59 September 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote hey Shah... We should hang out Sure why not. The Odd Couple I didnt know Vader swung that way. Another romance started on DZ.comR.I.P.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #60 September 8, 2011 QuoteI gotta agree with shah here. When you're in a place with mostly males, females tend to look better no matter what. A friend and I were talking about this. We call it the Andy Dick effect. When you are at a place where there are 52 very hot girls, even Andy Dick looks like a catch! But say if Any Dick were in any other place where he was one of say 52 guys and there were 2 girls...he would be what he is...an annoying little shit.....trying to swoop and puffing his chest trying to look all "bad ass".Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #61 September 8, 2011 Wow, seek helpWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrokenR1 0 #62 September 9, 2011 We call them Desert Princess's or Desert Queens. You think your proportions are off in an Engineering school? Try a warzone. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Rap is to music what etch-a-sketch is to art. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #63 September 9, 2011 Quote My god if you were to study this encounter as if it were baboons mating we would really be no different would we? Puffed up chests, maybe a little loud talking, some chest thumping a few random acts of violence and maybe a few daring acts to show courage. Funny if you sit and really think about it. So, you're saying that if baboons jumped, they would all be swoopers ???_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #64 September 9, 2011 >That's why the engineering girls . . . . And Shah shows up to tell everyone how those 10/10's are probably not _really_ 10/10's, probably have a hump and are leaking from all the wrong places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #65 September 9, 2011 Quote>That's why the engineering girls . . . . And Shah shows up to tell everyone how those 10/10's are probably not _really_ 10/10's, probably have a hump and are leaking from all the wrong places. Nope, just saying looks and attitudes are based on perspective of the observer and the observed. Take for example where I live in NJ. Not many good looking, skinny, educated girls walking around. The ones that are here tend to be on the....well pissed off side. Why? simple, they can be. Lots of guys to choose from and not much competition. And note that the guys tend to be the classic "NJ Shore" types.... Now cross the river into say NYC and hang around the Financial district, hum...why are these very smart, skinny, hot girls just so much more friendly and approachable? Simple.....they are a dime a dozen. And that girl from NJ who thought she was gods gift to man....well she needs to STFU and put that attitude away for she now has some very serious competition. And note how much more relaxed the guys are? Even Andy Dick could get laid in this crowed. Supply Vs. Demand, basic economics. And what's the latest numbers for skydiving? 15% on a good day? So a girl who is so so any place else is perceived to be hot at any given DZ. I'm not trying to offend, I'm just describing basic facts on the ground. You may not like me shedding light on this but it is what it is. Heck, walk around....I know a good half dozen girls that come to my home DZ and don't even jump...they just walk around, and hit on a packer or two to give their egos a boost and they are off with the wind. Further more I know a few girls who are EPIC "collectors" of dudes. And after simply pointing out what they were doing and why they were doing it.....well let's just say the response was a bit...explosive. It is what it is. Thus why I am going crazy trying to figure out how to escape my condo and move closer to NYC or at least get out of engineering. As for the OP, stand back make sure they are 10/10. I'm pretty sure they most likely were just 6's maybe 7's but being the only 2 girls around say 52 guys....your perception was a little bit off.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #66 September 9, 2011 >just saying looks and attitudes are based on perspective of the observer and the observed. Agreed! >Take for example where I live in NJ. Not many good looking, skinny, educated girls . . . >Now cross the river into say NYC and hang around the Financial district, hum...why are >these very smart, skinny, hot girls just so much more friendly and approachable? Because you aren't there. Like you said, looks and attitudes are based on your perspective. And from your perspective, the grass is greener on the other side of the river. If you were to move to NYC, quickly you'd become disenchanted with all those "smart, skinny, hot" girls. You'd get sick of their shit. And after a few months you'd be posting about how they are on the "pissed off" side since all the guys are hitting on them, and you'd start dreaming about LA (or Boston, or some other place where you get money for nothin and your chicks for free.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #67 September 9, 2011 billvon It's not a "Grass is greener" discussion. It's the simple numbers and facts on the ground. Supply vs. Demand. There are SIGNIFICANTLY more single available women in NYC than in NJ. Last I knew it was a little more than 1.5 single girls per every single available guy. I'm sorry, it is what it is. My friends who live in and around NYC are having a great time. Sadly I'm "just" too far away at 35 miles. My loss their gain. Thus, it's not only my attitude or perspective it's also the attitude and perspective of the person being observed. Look as I said earlier why do you think guys will step over their mother to get an invite to any event at the playboy mansion? Simple? To feel what the average girl feels when they are in an engineering office or at a DZ. To be the only other guy in an environment where there are 52 very attractive girls. From the vantage point of the 52 girls...these guys look amazing. As i said EVEN ANDY FUCKING DICK got laid at the Playboy Mansion. Do you think he would have had a chance if there were 52 guys and 2 girls? HELL NO! But when he's the only other guy, the attitude and perspective of the women is; 1) Well he isn't all that bad. 2) Well I am good looking but.....there are 51 other girls he can be talking to and some of them are way better looking than me, thus I probably shouldn't be giving him any attitude. SO! Our OP walked on to a DZ, saw a shit load of guys and two girls. Were they really 10/10.....odds are....no. But their "perceived value" was inflated by a simple bit of logic; VERY LOW AGGREGATE SUPPLY (2 girls) EXTREMELY HIGH AGGREGATE DEMAND (52 guys) And for the laymen, when you haven't had food to eat in 2 weeks, even dog food starts looking good.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #68 September 9, 2011 >There are SIGNIFICANTLY more single available women in NYC than in NJ. Yep. A big 1.5% more. That means if you go to a bar in NJ with 75 people in it, then go to one in NY, you will on average see one more woman. Like I said, the grass is always greener. (NJ: 95.8 males/100 females NY: 94.3 males/100 females) >My friends who live in and around NYC are having a great time. Yep. And if you had friends in Boston, or Philadelphia, they'd be having a great time too. It's not that extra 1.5 women out of 100 people that's making that happen for them, though. >Look as I said earlier why do you think guys will step over their mother to get an >invite to any event at the playboy mansion? Because a lot of guys are idiots and think that numerical odds are all that matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #69 September 9, 2011 QuoteBecause a lot of guys are idiots and think that numerical odds are all that matters. They do, argue all you want but they do. And it's simple, E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S Economics are a valid rule of thumb methodology to study basic human interactions. http://www.observer.com/2008/straight-women-new-york-citys-mating-market-worst-country It's not grass doll that's making me stay up at night attempting to find a way to dump my condo and move closer to NYC, its ASS! And let's put all things aside shall we, is there any place better for a single girl than your local DZ? Well maybe some sort of prison? Or a large Engineering firm, or....where I live? To the OP, don't do an Andy Dick, don't puff your chest or become a flaming ass, just learn how to skydive enjoy the sport for the peace and friendship it provides and be smart......do your dating in or around a large university or in a city. And if you have any female friends who are "collectors" avoid them like the plague as well. And with that.....the argument is done isn't it?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #70 September 9, 2011 >Economics are a valid rule of thumb methodology to study basic human interactions. Sure, anything is - evolutionary behavior studies, economics, epidemiology, game theory, psychology. Psychology is a good one, and includes the "grass is greener" meme. There are a great many people out there who are unhappy and want to change _something._ The best odds (in terms of sex ratio) out there are in places like Lithuania, the Northern Mariana Islands, Barbuda etc. In all those places the ratio is better than 1.1 to 1 - more than 10% more women than men. But I bet you will discover other reasons you don't want to move to Lithuania. All valid, perhaps. But if a 10% difference is not worth pursuing, then why would a 1.5% differential make things so much better? >And let's put all things aside shall we, is there any place better for a single girl than >your local DZ? Well maybe some sort of prison? Or a large Engineering firm, >or....where I live? Where you live is about 1.5% different in terms of sex ratios than New York. But to you it's this huge massive difference. So one of two things is likely: 1) A 1.5% difference is indeed a massive difference. If you go to a party with 40 men and 41 women you will not meet anyone worthwhile, but if you go to a party with 40 men and 42 women the women will be more interesting, worthwhile etc. and you will be happier. 2) You perceive that circumstances other than your own are more desirable simply because you do not like your circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #71 September 9, 2011 Next time you are in NYC / NJ drop me a line, if it's nice out let me buy you a bucket of beer at this place I know. Look around. And then we will go for a pitcher of Sangria by Chelsea Pears.... You are looking at NY numbers not NYC numbers. Also...taking your logic...15/100.....is there any place better for a single girl than your local DZ? Thus to our OP, please note...odds are these girls were not 10's at best maybe a 6 on a great day a 7. Your perception was thrown off by the numbers.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #72 September 9, 2011 Quote Next time you are in NYC / NJ drop me a line, if it's nice out let me buy you a bucket of beer at this place I know. Look around. And then we will go for a pitcher of Sangria by Chelsea Pears..... Easy fella...He's married! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #73 September 9, 2011 Quote Quote Next time you are in NYC / NJ drop me a line, if it's nice out let me buy you a bucket of beer at this place I know. Look around. And then we will go for a pitcher of Sangria by Chelsea Pears..... Easy fella...He's married! That is true...bring the wife! Great view of the water line and the statue of liberty.....and all the very nice attractive young ladies who work for the big financial firms in their pencil skirts and 5 inch pumps. Now if she slaps us around for checking out the cute girls is that good or bad? Two weeks ago i went out with a girl at this great out door bar ....god the name escapes me.....and well when my date excused her self for the bathroom the girls at the table next to me sent one of the girls over and asked if i was bored with my date that I could join them. Not the first time to happen to me in NYC. NYC is a great place for a single straight guy. Lots of single girls competing for very few available guys. As such these guys....."appear" to be more than they probably are. Much like our OP's view of the DZ and the two 10'sLife through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #74 September 9, 2011 >Next time you are in NYC / NJ drop me a line, if it's nice out let me buy you a bucket >of beer at this place I know. OK. I'll buy the second round! I worked in Manhattan for four months during college, then got a job on Long Island. During that time I never met anyone in NY until I started skydiving. Then I met my first skydiving girlfriend, then a waitress who was working at a demo I did. Then I moved to San Diego and met a skydiving woman on line, then one at Perris, then another one on line from Portland. Ended up marrying her. How did I meet women through skydiving if the odds are so bad? (At our DZ it was more like two women to 50 guys.) Why didn't I meet anyone in Manhattan, where the odds are so good? Probably because I was finally doing something I was good at and was really passionate about, and people pick up on that. And that's true for most people - how you feel about yourself and how you treat others is far, far more important than the numerical ratios, especially if you're talking about a 1.5% difference. >Also...taking your logic...15/100.....is there any place better for a single girl than your >local DZ? Depends on the girl! My sister in law lives in Wrangell, Alaska. The female to male ratio there is about 30 to 70. Great odds, right? Well, not for her. Like they say, the odds are good, but the goods are odd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #75 September 9, 2011 OK I never said she would find "Mr. Right" I'm saying she will find "Mr. Right NOW!"Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
