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[airdvr 210]

It seems I find myself in a good position of having found new employment while still employed. (I can count on one hand the number of times in my life that's happened).

Here's the rub...my boss has been very good to me over the last 2 1/2 years. I know from prior incidents that 2 week notices are not honored and you are asked to leave immediately. It's a corporate thing. I'd like to stick around until the end of the month and get some of my commissions. At the same time I don't feel comfortable leaving my boss without much backup.

If I say something to her I risk being politely escorted out the door.

If I keep my mouth shut I can work 2 more weeks and get another pay, but I'll be leaving her short staffed.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[david3 0]

If they were going to get rid of you, would they give you two weeks notice?

[NewGuy2005 53]

Seems like they would be obligated to pay you whether they walked you to the door or let you work your 2 week's notice.

What makes you think they will rip you off?

[wildcard451 0]

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Seems like they would be obligated to pay you whether they walked you to the door or let you work your 2 week's notice.

What makes you think they will rip you off?

Because apparently they have done it before?

Work your two weeks. Get your commissions, then put in your two weeks and be escorted out that day. Win for you.

[Trafficdiver 8]

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Here's the rub...my boss has been very good to me over the last 2 1/2 years.

I would give him 2 weeks notice. Is the extra money worth it?

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Seems like they would be obligated to pay you whether they walked you to the door or let you work your 2 week's notice.

What makes you think they will rip you off?

Because apparently they have done it before?

Work your two weeks. Get your commissions, then put in your two weeks and be escorted out that day. Win for you.

That's exactly the 1st thought through my head.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
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How's yours doing?

[oldwomanc6 60]

If I read you correctly, You plan on leaving in two weeks?

When is your start date on the new job?

IMO, it would be wrong to not tell them you are leaving in two weeks. I'm assuming this is what your contract (even verbally) says is your responsibility is. If they choose to escort you out the door is on them. You may even have recourse if they do so w/o pay.

But the bigger question is: Do you want to be in the position of being in the moral/legal wrong? Is it worth it?

You have a job to go to. Do what is right, and then you never have to feel bad for anything.

That small potential income isn't worth your peace of mind. ON ANY LEVEL

lisa
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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Seems like they would be obligated to pay you whether they walked you to the door or let you work your 2 week's notice.

Most employment in the United States is "At will" where either party can terminate the arrangement at any time, for any reason, with no notice.

Burning bridges is bad for employees. You want to work with the same competent co-workers again, whether recruiting them for a position at a company where you're working or joining them someplace else. You want a positive reference, and just because they're not allowed to say anything by HR doesn't mean they wont "Our corporate policy is to only confirm title and dates of employment, although I'd break that policy for a good former employee. John Doe worked here from 6/1/2008 - 6/1/2011." You might want to go back to the company in a different position or capacity and don't want a "do not rehire" in your file.

Burning bridges is bad for employers. Returning alumni are the best new hires because they've proven they can work in your environment. They have acquaintances who you might want to hire. Some professional networks are tight, and word gets around about companies that don't play nice.

So usually both sides play a bit nicer than required - employees give advance notice and help off-load their work, companies respect that advance notice and let you work until your last day, most companies pay for accrued vacation even when not legally required (California requires it), and some companies give severance and notice when lay-offs happen (perhaps with some of the payment contingent on a form that says you won't sue them).

Where you actually have a contract (not an employment agreement) that's different; although even VP positions are often at-will.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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It seems I find myself in a good position of having found new employment while still employed. (I can count on one hand the number of times in my life that's happened).

Here's the rub...my boss has been very good to me over the last 2 1/2 years. I know from prior incidents that 2 week notices are not honored and you are asked to leave immediately. It's a corporate thing. I'd like to stick around until the end of the month and get some of my commissions. At the same time I don't feel comfortable leaving my boss without much backup.

Make your start date contingent on when you leave your current employer "I'll start two or four weeks from today depending on..." and give notice at the end of the month after you've collected your commissions. Many positions take months to fill and for such positions your new employer can be very flexible.

Offer to stay for the two weeks at the month end and if your current boss doesn't want to work with you that's her problem.

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If I say something to her I risk being politely escorted out the door.

If I keep my mouth shut I can work 2 more weeks and get another pay, but I'll be leaving her short staffed.

Work honestly and well until your last day, but if there is any question whatsoever about being asked to leave immediately upon giving two weeks notice, then say nothing about leaving until the hour and minute you intend to.

I can 100% guarantee you most companies do not give their employee two weeks notice. Some give less than a couple of minutes before escorting employees off the property nor do they care about leaving them "short salaried." There is no reason for most people to be any more loyal to their employers as their employer has demonstrated in their dealings with employees. Probably even less.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[airdvr 210]

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Seems like they would be obligated to pay you whether they walked you to the door or let you work your 2 week's notice.

What makes you think they will rip you off?

I have outstanding draws against commissions. I pay them back a little at a time. Still have more outstanding than my last pay would cover.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[BrokenR1 0]

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Because apparently they have done it before?

Work your two weeks. Get your commissions, then put in your two weeks and be escorted out that day. Win for you.

I like this.

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[kawisixer01 0]

I'm not sure why your worried about the "short staffed" issue. If you turn in your two weeks notice and they terminate you right away than your co-workers are still screwed and short staffed. lol

[Shell666 0]

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It seems I find myself in a good position of having found new employment while still employed. (I can count on one hand the number of times in my life that's happened).

Here's the rub...my boss has been very good to me over the last 2 1/2 years. I know from prior incidents that 2 week notices are not honored and you are asked to leave immediately. It's a corporate thing. I'd like to stick around until the end of the month and get some of my commissions. At the same time I don't feel comfortable leaving my boss without much backup.

If I say something to her I risk being politely escorted out the door.

If I keep my mouth shut I can work 2 more weeks and get another pay, but I'll be leaving her short staffed.

Give your notice but tell your boss you're willing to work to the end of that time. If they choose to escort you out, so be it. Be honest. Karma and all that ....

'Shell

[Krip 2]

Hi

These are the days of double digit unemployement, Some people learned the hard way the "corporate family" turned out to be a myth.

Hopefully your new job will still be there when you leave your old one.

Yikes, tough times for some folks

[BrokenR1 0]

I don't understand this thing about Karma, ethic, morals, or legal reasons to give a two week notice to a company that will then immediately escort you off of their property.

You have no obligation to give a notice or it would have been in a written contract to begin with. It may be nice to give a heads up but if they're just going to toss you out when you do then there is no point. It might suck for your boss but it isn't any different than giving notice and being kicked out immediately anyways. Interesting thing I read and agree with is most people rate their jobs off of their boss and not the company. Good boss but bad company and they're happier than being with a good company and a bad boss.

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I don't understand this thing about Karma, ethic, morals, or legal reasons to give a two week notice to a company that will then immediately escort you off of their property.

You have no obligation to give a notice or it would have been in a written contract to begin with. It may be nice to give a heads up but if they're just going to toss you out when you do then there is no point. It might suck for your boss but it isn't any different than giving notice and being kicked out immediately anyways. Interesting thing I read and agree with is most people rate their jobs off of their boss and not the company. Good boss but bad company and they're happier than being with a good company and a bad boss.

I have always considered it to be professional to give the company 2 weeks notice. Most of the companies I have worked for have done the same or even more like 30 days till the end of the contract. I like dealing with companies that comport themselves in a professional manner.

[BrokenR1 0]

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I have always considered it to be professional to give the company 2 weeks notice. Most of the companies I have worked for have done the same or even more like 30 days till the end of the contract. I like dealing with companies that comport themselves in a professional manner.

It has been the same with the companies I have worked for. While not necessary we usually give at least 2 weeks notice and sometimes even more into the months. However they let us work rest of the time. If I knew I would be escorted out upon submitting my two week notice I might decide to withhold that notice until I'm ready to leave.

As of now I don't have a job when I come back here in just over two months. They're going to still pay me for 30 days while I look though which is nice. So OP how about hooking me up with a job too?!

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[Arvoitus 1]

Isn't the end result the same?

If they kick you out immediately then they'll be short staffed straightaway.

The only difference is whether you get your next pay or not.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[nigel99 616]

I don't know what the US laws are. In the UK if you are on notice, even if you are not allowed to go into work (gardening leave), you are technically still employeed by that company. This means you get paid for the time, but you are not allowed to start your new job either.

Good luck with the change.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[shropshire 0]

Treat people how you would like to be treated.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[wildcard451 0]

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Isn't the end result the same?

If they kick you out immediately then they'll be short staffed straightaway.

The only difference is whether you get your next pay or not.

This.

All this talk about karma and all is bullshit. He already know what is going to happen if he gives them respect from the employee side and gives a "notice" - escorted out and no more cash for him, that he has earned.
If not under a contract, that's perfectly fine from the company's standpoint.

All this talk about "giving them the respect they deserve" is a bunch of crap too.
Sign on with the new job.
Give them your start date -two weeks after you plan to quit - tell them it may be sooner.
Work til you get your commission.
Give your two weeks.
Leave if they fire you, work the two weeks if they don't.

You profit.
You are respectable from the business side.
You move on to new job, possibly enjoying a 2 week vacation in the process.

How is this even still up for debate?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Isn't the end result the same?

If they kick you out immediately then they'll be short staffed straightaway.

The only difference is whether you get your next pay or not.

This.

All this talk about karma and all is bullshit. He already know what is going to happen if he gives them respect from the employee side and gives a "notice" - escorted out and no more cash for him, that he has earned.
If not under a contract, that's perfectly fine from the company's standpoint.

All this talk about "giving them the respect they deserve" is a bunch of crap too.
Sign on with the new job.
Give them your start date -two weeks after you plan to quit - tell them it may be sooner.
Work til you get your commission.
Give your two weeks.
Leave if they fire you, work the two weeks if they don't.

You profit.
You are respectable from the business side.
You move on to new job, possibly enjoying a 2 week vacation in the process.

How is this even still up for debate?

This.
YOU do the right thing, but make sure you protect yourself.

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[wmw999 2,584]

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Work honestly and well until your last day, but if there is any question whatsoever about being asked to leave immediately upon giving two weeks notice, then say nothing about leaving until the hour and minute you intend to.

I'd go with the same thing, only to add that you should do whatever it takes to make it easier for someone else to take over your job, even if it means putting in some extra time.

I.e. that leftover paperwork, writing up some procedures for things that you're the main person who does them. That will go a fair way towards making it easier on your boss (whom you like), and being remembered as a class act.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wildcard451 0]

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Work honestly and well until your last day, but if there is any question whatsoever about being asked to leave immediately upon giving two weeks notice, then say nothing about leaving until the hour and minute you intend to.

I'd go with the same thing, only to add that you should do whatever it takes to make it easier for someone else to take over your job, even if it means putting in some extra time.

I.e. that leftover paperwork, writing up some procedures for things that you're the main person who does them. That will go a fair way towards making it easier on your boss (whom you like), and being remembered as a class act.

Wendy P.

If your boss has you escorted to the door, hell with them and the paperwork. Quite situational.