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[Nataly 38]

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Nope, but is it too much to ask for someone to follow the rules of the road?

That argument doesn't apply here... In fact, had the rules of the road been followed, that guy would not have almost taken me out... Because I was allowed to filter whereas he was not allowed to pull into traffic without looking.

Anyway it's EVERYONE's responsibility to watch out for others. If I hadn't been paying attention that asshole WOULD have hit me.

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[shropshire 0]

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And all I'm saying is riding a motorcycle comes with responsibilities. Wanna race it, go to a track.

I 100% agree about racing but splitting lanes is a perfectly acceptable practice BUT must be performed with full attention to the current conditions.

Expecting motorcycles to stay in a queue of traffic is ridiculous..

AND causing or hoping for a motorcyclist to be hurt is fucking INSANE

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On my bicycle, riding with traffic, I just feel too venerable and unaware of what is behind me.

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It's the law around here to ride with traffic, but that doesn't feel as safe.

You think being a salmon would make you safer???

Heh heh - salmon!!

Here you are allowed to filter. Not only this but the guy was turning into the road (not at an intersection but pulling out of a driveway) so he did NOT have the right of way. Technically he is wholly at fault, but I could easily have avoided dropping the bike. I saw him well in advance and even honked - I just hesitated too much before I decided to hit the brakes rather than swerve... In hindsight, given he was turning left and across the road swerving would have almost certainly resulted in a collision.

Meh... Live and learn. I did everything right just not quickly enough...

I think you figured this out but the time you spent blowing the horn should have been used to control your bike. I have a friend who had a car change lanes on her and ran her off the road. She spent her last few seconds on the bike trying to kick the side of the car door. Took over a year for her arm to heal.

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Expecting motorcycles to stay in a queue of traffic is ridiculous..

So they get a pass to skip their turn in traffic because they got 2 wheels instead of 4?

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[shropshire 0]

Yes, why not? - it does not effect others when done correctly - why be jealous? - Live and let live

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From there, if the weather and the laws permit, it's no helmet, t-shirt and a shit-eatin' grin.

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[Nataly 38]

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Expecting motorcycles to stay in a queue of traffic is ridiculous..

So they get a pass to skip their turn in traffic because they got 2 wheels instead of 4?

Umm... Can you not see that smaller vehicles (ie motorcycles) actually REDUCE traffic congestion?? You know what pisses me off is people taking up TWO lanes because they're driving an unecessarily massive car (often without passengers), blocking traffic for everyone. Give the jealousy a break... Bikers who carefully pass through are doing you a favour.

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Expecting motorcycles to stay in a queue of traffic is ridiculous..

So they get a pass to skip their turn in traffic because they got 2 wheels instead of 4?

Umm... Can you not see that smaller vehicles (ie motorcycles) actually REDUCE traffic congestion?? You know what pisses me off is people taking up TWO lanes because they're driving an unecessarily massive car (often without passengers), blocking traffic for everyone. Give the jealousy a break... Bikers who carefully pass through are doing you a favour.

I get that, no problem, as long as they do it within reason.

I used to get pissed at being stuck on the highway because of some big wreck ahead and watching helplessly as motorcycles rode by on the emergency lane/shoulder.

Eventually, that pissed became steaming mad when cars started doing that. Eventually somebody would edge over to block the emergency lane, or a state trooper would run the offending shoulder drivers down and pop em with a ticket!

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[Nataly 38]

I agree that using the emergency lane is not cool and neither is wizzing past traffic at break-neck speeds. And neither is not looking before maneouvering (cars AND bikes).

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Expecting motorcycles to stay in a queue of traffic is ridiculous..

So they get a pass to skip their turn in traffic because they got 2 wheels instead of 4?

Umm... Can you not see that smaller vehicles (ie motorcycles) actually REDUCE traffic congestion?? .

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but splitting lanes is a perfectly acceptable practice

Highly dependent on where you live/ride. Not legal or acceptable where I live.

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Yes, why not? - it does not effect others when done correctly - why be jealous? - Live and let live

It's illegal here.

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Section 1. Section 316.209, Florida Statutes, is amended to read:
316.209 Operating motorcycles on roadways laned for traffic.—

(1) All motorcycles are entitled to full use of a lane and no motor vehicle shall be driven in such manner as to deprive any motorcycle of the full use of a lane. This subsection shall not apply to motorcycles operated two abreast in a single lane.

(2) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken.

(3) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.

So, yeah, maybe I am a bit angry at them, but they're the ones breaking the law, then preaching to look for them, when they're driving where they shouldn't be. They think they're above the law because they can fit between two cars and skip ahead.

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WTF .. you trying to associate criminal activity with a legitimate motoring process?... wow... just wow

It IS a criminal activity.... Lawyered.

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[Nataly 38]

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I think you figured this out but the time you spent blowing the horn should have been used to control your bike.

Yeah, no kidding - I lost precious seconds by honking and also by hesitating... I was being careful and riding slow and wearing all the gear and that's why the damage was so minimal. Still... I totally could have avoided dropping the bike... Live and learn.

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Can't tell you how many times I have wished I could open my door in time...

that mentality is exactly why i want you a long way behind me.
Nothing i do as a motorbike rider impacts negatively to car drivers.
The ONLY reason that drivers get pissy with people splitting stationary lanes is pretty jealousy

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The ONLY reason that drivers get pissy with people splitting stationary lanes is pretty jealousy

Maybe its the blatant disregard for some of the simplest of laws to obey, just to save a few mins?

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The ONLY reason that drivers get pissy with people splitting stationary lanes is pretty jealousy

Maybe its the blatant disregard for some of the simplest of laws to obey, just to save a few mins?

it has little to do with time saving (for me) and more to do with getting away from retarded drivers.
BTW I break ZERO laws when riding, stationary splitting is not illegal

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Maybe its the blatant disregard for some of the simplest of laws to obey, just to save a few mins?

it has little to do with time saving (for me) and more to do with getting away from retarded drivers.
BTW I break ZERO laws when riding, stationary splitting is not illegal

But it IS here... I've never been to Australia, so I cannot comment on the driving there, but here in Florida, it IS illegal and that's where I'm pissed off at.

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[Remster 30]

Can we get back on topic here, and talk about Nat in tight leather riding gear?

Remster

[Squeak 17]

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Can we get back on topic here, and talk about Nat in tight leather riding gear?

I dont care about her.
I am however glad the SV is OK, people should repect V Twins in all there guises well except Harley Ds

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Can we get back on topic here, and talk about Nat in tight leather riding gear?

I'm not sure what you mean;
A pic would help a lot.

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Yes, why not? - it does not effect others when done correctly - why be jealous? - Live and let live

Yip. The number of times that I had really shitty individuals try and get me injured or killed. Deliberately blocking the gap at the last minute etc. I had one guy cross the lane from the opposite direction to force my up against a car

Back on topic to Nataly in her tight leathers though

Generally speaking I find you are safer to avoid lane splitting even when it is legal. As Squeak said in stationary traffic it is pretty safe. Don't lane split within about 50m of a junction. The car drivers have other cars on their minds and simply don't see you - I've seen to many bikes hit at or near junctions.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[Nataly 38]

About a year ago I was walking toward my bike in the bakery's parking lot when I heard a crash on the road... Two young guys hit the car ahead of them because they missed the red light... The old man that got rear-ended got out of his car and started yelling at the boys to pay attention to the road and not some chick in leather!! Too funny!!


ETA - yeah... In the UK it is legal to filter and I regularly had to deal with aggressive car drivers who deliberately tried to block bikers. I'm not sure if they realise just how much they are putting your life at risk for the sake of jealousy. And I do think it boils down to jealousy, plain and simple. They are stuck and it pisses them off that you are not. In France it is also legal and after coming from the UK I was pleasantly surprised that people's attitude to bikers is totally different. They actually let you through and generally respect your right to be on the road. I think instead of hating bikers they kind of admire them. Because the weather is so hot, there are a lot more bikers on the road and a lot of car drivers also own a bike/scooter so that helps.

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Maybe its the blatant disregard for some of the simplest of laws to obey, just to save a few mins?

it has little to do with time saving (for me) and more to do with getting away from retarded drivers.
BTW I break ZERO laws when riding, stationary splitting is not illegal

But it IS here... I've never been to Australia, so I cannot comment on the driving there, but here in Florida, it IS illegal and that's where I'm pissed off at.


So are you HONESTLY trying to tell us that, that the reason you want to open your car door and possibly hospitalise someone, is because they are breaking a traffic rule, that has ZERO impact on you?

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Maybe its the blatant disregard for some of the simplest of laws to obey, just to save a few mins?

it has little to do with time saving (for me) and more to do with getting away from retarded drivers.
BTW I break ZERO laws when riding, stationary splitting is not illegal

But it IS here... I've never been to Australia, so I cannot comment on the driving there, but here in Florida, it IS illegal and that's where I'm pissed off at.

So are you HONESTLY trying to tell us that, that the reason you want to open your car door and possibly hospitalise someone, is because they are breaking a traffic rule, that has ZERO impact on you?

Surely not .... because such a person would be the lowest of the low ..... a complete knob!

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[Nataly 38]

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So are you HONESTLY trying to tell us that, that the reason you want to open your car door and possibly hospitalise someone, is because they are breaking a traffic rule, that has ZERO impact on you?

You are BOTH wrong...

It DOES have an impact on him - it means less people in the queue, thus REDUCING the overall time he spends in traffic... He's just too JEALOUS to realise / acknowledge this fact because he's too pissed off that he is stuck and bikers are not.

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