Nataly 38 #1 January 12, 2012 Three people discover a way to steal 1 thousand dollars from their company without getting caught. - The first does't hesitate at all and isn't even tempted to steal the money. - The second fights with his desire to steal but doesn't. It's a real struggle but he doesn't touch the money. - The third takes the money and gives it to someone who really needs it."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #2 January 12, 2012 You'll never pass that test via this approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #3 January 12, 2012 Quote You'll never pass that test via this approach. Not a test - just boredom!!"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #4 January 12, 2012 I really need it. Just keep that in mind, in case that's the way the vote turns out.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #5 January 12, 2012 Someone who would steal a grand is a stupid fucker. I'd need at least a million and a good chance to get away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #6 January 12, 2012 I feel that the person who had the opportunity/temptation to steal the $ and didn't is the better person, just as a person who is courageous in the face of fear is braver than the person who doesn't experience any fear.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 January 12, 2012 I'm having a problem with the results already. The votes for "first" and "second" are tied, and that doesn't seem proper to me. Someone who does not even think about stealing is a better person than someone who is tempted to steal but decides not to do so. Someday, under the "right" circumstances, that second person WILL steal, if the money reward is high enough, or chances of getting caught low enough, or their circumstances desperate enough. The first person, however, chooses not to steal based upon principles, not circumstances, and is more likely never to fall to the temptation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 January 12, 2012 QuoteI feel that the person who had the opportunity/temptation to steal the $ and didn't is the better person, just as a person who is courageous in the face of fear is braver than the person who doesn't experience any fear. They both had the opportunity, but only one was tempted. So, using your theory, a husband who thinks about cheating on his wife all the time, but doesn't, is a better husband than one who never thinks about cheating on his wife? Which one would you trust more with your wallet? Just the presence of the temptation alone, is enough to make them a less enviable person than one who is not even tempted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #9 January 12, 2012 No, a person who is afforded an opportunity to cheat and is tempted but doesn't is doing the harder thing than someone who isn't tempted when faced with an opportunity. If something is easy it is no test of character. BTW, thinking constantly about how to do it and get away with it was not part of my example, just the opportunity presenting itself.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 January 12, 2012 I'm with JR on this one. This first person is better if you consider honesty and basic character defines the "better person". Only way to not go with this person is that the voter thinks the first is not honest about his lack of temptation - but that's rewriting the scenario falsely - the assumption is they are 'truly and for real' actually not even tempted. the 2nd person is tested and passed, they are striving to be like the first person and that's commendable. That's not a "better' person, but it's certainly one that 99% of us relate to easier than the first - therefore we WANT to think WE are better and would translate that into a vote for that guy. The 3rd option is a very despicable and arrogant person and will likely get this thread moved to speaker's corner ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 January 12, 2012 QuoteNo, a person who is afforded an opportunity to cheat and is tempted but doesn't is doing the harder thing than someone who isn't tempted when faced with an opportunity. If something is easy it is no test of character.. character just is, it's not tested, only demonstrated just because something is harder to one person, doesn't make them better - that's silly. I can try REALLY hard and sometimes make a layup - Michael Jordan doesn't even have to try and would rarely ever miss one - that doesn't make me a better basketball player than michael jordan. or does it??????? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 January 12, 2012 >This first person is better if you consider honesty and basic character >defines the "better person". I think the only thing that matters are results. If you never steal you're an honest guy, no matter what your internal dialogue is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 January 12, 2012 Quote>This first person is better if you consider honesty and basic character >defines the "better person". I think the only thing that matters are results. If you never steal you're an honest guy, no matter what your internal dialogue is. I appreciate that viewpoint quite a bit. But it's in conflict with what I perceive the intent of the poll is trying to facilitate (clearly boobie advocacy) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #14 January 13, 2012 I would take the money, and give it to the grandmother in the other poll... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #15 January 13, 2012 The second person is clearly the best person; the third is the worst. The first person may be immoral, or just amoral. The third on the other hand is arrogant enough to feel they are qualified to judge who deserves the money and are the only necessary arbiter of right and wrong. People like that are the cause of much of the evil in this world. They feel that not all people are to be treated evenly. People who are a different colour, nationality, religion, sect, political philosophy or whatever from themselves are not worthy of moral consideration. These people need to be shunned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #16 January 13, 2012 where is the option for the person who isn't even remotely tempted? There are some people out there who still aren't. Lucky for me, I hired a young man who wasn't tempted. I could have handed him a large (to him) bag of money to take to the bank, and every penny would be delivered without him even glancing in the bag.skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #17 January 13, 2012 Always safe with boobies...Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #18 January 13, 2012 Quote I would take the money, and give it to the grandmother in the other poll... I'd take the money and use it for the divorce lawyer, (see other poll)."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 January 13, 2012 Quotewhere is the option for the person who isn't even remotely tempted? that's the first person ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 January 13, 2012 QuoteNo, a person who is afforded an opportunity to cheat and is tempted but doesn't is doing the harder thing than someone who isn't tempted when faced with an opportunity. If something is easy it is no test of character. The question isn't about which is harder, or which is the harshest test of character. The question is about who is the better person. Someone who doesn't even consider doing wrong things, is a better person than someone who does. Regardless of whether the wrong-thinker carries through with his thoughts or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #21 January 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo, a person who is afforded an opportunity to cheat and is tempted but doesn't is doing the harder thing than someone who isn't tempted when faced with an opportunity. If something is easy it is no test of character. The question isn't about which is harder, or which is the harshest test of character. The question is about who is the better person. Someone who doesn't even consider doing wrong things, is a better person than someone who does. Regardless of whether the wrong-thinker carries through with his thoughts or not. Well, when you put it that way, I'm not sure that the poll is valid. I'm not convinced that there ever existed a person who was never tempted (by something or other). Character doesn't mean anything if it is never tested.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
