iluvtofly 0 #1 January 19, 2012 How is this guy still an Air Traffic Controller? I don't care if he was retrained...obviously he just doesn't care. http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-controller-nearly-caused-midair-collision-212701837.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #2 January 19, 2012 A good pilot among the four would have prevented this also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #3 January 19, 2012 QuoteA good pilot among the four would have prevented this also. True...but this obviously wasn't his first major screw up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 January 19, 2012 QuoteA good pilot among the four would have prevented this also. Yes, kind of like jumpers who blindly exit when the green light comes on without bothering to look out the door first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #5 January 19, 2012 You are much more likely to die in a canopy collision than a collision of two planes at a controlled airport."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #6 January 19, 2012 Quote You are much more likely to die in a canopy collision than a collision of two planes at a controlled airport. Are you trying to make her feel better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 January 19, 2012 QuoteYou are much more likely to die in a canopy collision than a collision of two planes at a controlled airport. But I are you more likely to survive a canopy collision than an a/c one? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akjmpplt 0 #8 January 20, 2012 QuoteYou are much more likely to die in a canopy collision than a collision of two planes at a controlled airport. But if involved in an aircraft midair the odds are more likely you will be at a controlled airport vs an uncontrolled airport.SmugMug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #9 January 20, 2012 The first thing that came to mind before I opened the thread was: PsychoBob My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #10 January 20, 2012 QuoteBut if involved in an aircraft midair the odds are more likely you will be at a controlled airport vs an uncontrolled airport. I'd like to disagree. I think most midairs happen between VFR aircraft at uncontrolled airports or farther away. Last several midairs around here were two at Harvey Field, one over Puget Sound north of Tacoma, one 10 NM eest of Olympia and another recently 10 nm east of McMinnville, Oregon. All aircraft were VFR, squawking 1200. ATC was involved in none of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 January 20, 2012 Quote How is this guy still an Air Traffic Controller? I don't care if he was retrained...obviously he just doesn't care. Quoted from the article"Beck, a controller for 23 years, also had been suspended several times within the last five years for tardiness, absenteeism and failure to report an arrest for driving under the influence. Beck also had been removed from duties training less experienced controllers after a trainee complained that "Mr. Beck was in the back of the room with his feet up and eyes closed" while conducting training sessions, the documents said." I have to say I know these kind of people. They are too f-ing cool to do the job right. I'm sure he has a total disregard for rules and procedures, and no one can tell him anything. Peer pressure doesn't work when you have no peers. I don't care if they can him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 January 20, 2012 Quote Are you trying to make her feel better? Crap, was it my day to try and make people feel better? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #13 January 20, 2012 QuoteBut I are you more likely to survive a canopy collision than an a/c one? I'd venture a guess at yes.... But I have nothing to back that up but a WAG."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #14 January 20, 2012 QuoteBut if involved in an aircraft midair the odds are more likely you will be at a controlled airport vs an uncontrolled airport. Data to support that? I'd have to guess that it is not true. Most of the midairs I can recall are at busy uncontrolled airports with two planes on final, one normally a low wing and one a high wing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kd5xb 1 #15 January 20, 2012 QuoteA good pilot among the four would have prevented this also. Apparently there were only THREE rated pilots -- the 172 was being used for training a student pilot. I've seen other airplanes "up close" several times -- once over the Tallahassee VOR while I was descending to land, once just east of Valdosta, Georgia, when I got to count the screws & rivets on a couple of F-16's making a straight-in approach to Moody AFB from perhaps 15 or 20 miles out, and once on an airway when the other guy was at the wrong altitude. Never had that experience at ANY airport, controlled or not.I'm a jumper. Even though I don't always have money for jumps, and may not ever own a rig again, I'll always be a jumper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #16 January 20, 2012 Quote The first thing that came to mind before I opened the thread was: PsychoBob Bob is way, way above this guy. Not even the same planet. I first figured it was TSA again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #17 January 20, 2012 Quote I've seen other airplanes "up close" several times -- once over the Tallahassee VOR while I was descending to land, once just east of Valdosta, Georgia, when I got to count the screws & rivets on a couple of F-16's making a straight-in approach to Moody AFB from perhaps 15 or 20 miles out, and once on an airway when the other guy was at the wrong altitude. I'd say half the pilots I know have similar stories. Most people are shocked to find out there are about 2 dozen midairs a year in our country. I've known and talked to 5 people that survived midair collisions. Only one of them did it without using a parachute. It sure keeps my attention on the radar scope. The uncontrolled aircraft squawking 1200 show up as "V's", for VFR, on my scope. I can't tell you how many traffic alerts and collision avoidance vectors I've given over the years to keep one of those little V's from killing one of my planes. I really hope to make it to the end of my career without that happening. I'm not morbid, just realistic and determined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 January 20, 2012 Quote How is this guy still an Air Traffic Controller? I don't care if he was retrained...obviously he just doesn't care. http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-controller-nearly-caused-midair-collision-212701837.html I think I was on that same flight from and back to Houston when I went to the Mardi Gras Boogie at the old Gold Coast when they were at the VERY nice airport called Trent Lott International.YEAH.. that thing about PsychoBob.... we did the sunset beach jump just outside Keesler AFB and as I was landing on the beach i remember seeing him coming AT me on from the other direction.... a slight WTF moment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #19 January 20, 2012 Quote But if involved in an aircraft midair the odds are more likely you will be at a controlled airport vs an uncontrolled airport. Isn't that like saying if you are in a canopy collision the odds are more likely you are at a busy dropzone vs a single Cessna place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 January 20, 2012 Quote Quote The first thing that came to mind before I opened the thread was: PsychoBob Bob is way, way above this guy. Not even the same planet. I first figured it was TSA again. Wayne...it was a joke.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #21 January 20, 2012 Luvtofly Don't forget never fly in/out of Gulfpot-Biloxi... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #22 January 21, 2012 Quote Quote Quote The first thing that came to mind before I opened the thread was: PsychoBob Bob is way, way above this guy. Not even the same planet. I first figured it was TSA again. Wayne...it was a joke. Sorry Andy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #23 January 21, 2012 Quote How is this guy still an Air Traffic Controller? I don't care if he was retrained...obviously he just doesn't care. http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-controller-nearly-caused-midair-collision-212701837.html You now what happens when your retrain a head of lettuceYou still have a head of lettuce. His stupidvisor needs to go out the door with him. I thought the FAA had higher stds than that. IMO the union bashing is BS. Can a contoller retire after 23 yr's?. If they can I suspect this Zero is already retired and just shows up to collect his full paycheck. We saw that a lot while we were working for the Corps of Engineers. BTW its not just the Gov't or unions "they" are everywhere even on cruise ships, wall street etc etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
