Nataly 38 #1 January 23, 2012 Let's assume the 2 extremes here... One view is that you have no choices at all - you are a product of your environment and fate drives everything. The opposite view would be you have complete free-will and are 100% responsible for everything about your life. Ok, obviously both are exaggerated, but wich end of the spectrum do you most agree with??"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #2 January 23, 2012 I don't like your use of "responsible". Am I responsible for my life: of course. So I think I can control everything about it? Not even close. But in the end, it's my life, and it's about my decisions when the random stuff happens.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivecat 3 #3 January 23, 2012 I'm with the you are 100% responsible for your own life vote. Not to get into it all, but I grew up in a home which had just about every excuse a kid needs to go down the wrong path. Yes, I had some good people/influences in my life, but ultimately, it was the choices I made that got me outta that. I hate when people use their upbringing and past for excuses for everything they do in the present and their future. Get over it. We all have our BS, and what happens now is ultimately in your own hands. My $0.02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #4 January 23, 2012 I admire your resilience. I think we're mostly responsible for hop we end up, but fate plays a role in where we end up. Sometimes I feel like my life is like a pachinko ball, bouncing from pin to pin. It's your character that determines how you act at each juncture. I'm certainly very happy with how my life has gone, but I can see that the smallest chances years ago have had HUGE effects. Like what if I had never made that first jump back in high school? I doubt I would have ended up in an aviation career, probably wouldn't have met my wife and had the amazing kids we had together. So how you end up depends on your hard work and perseverance. Where you end up, ah, I think a lot of that is chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrubin 0 #5 January 23, 2012 I voted mostly responsible because I agree that your decisions define who you are, but you do not always have control over the circumstances that force you to make your decision. If you had never been in a difficult situation, you never would have had to make a difficult decision which then influences the rest of your life."I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 January 23, 2012 QuoteI'm with the you are 100% responsible for your own life vote. Not to get into it all, but I grew up in a home which had just about every excuse a kid needs to go down the wrong path. Yes, I had some good people/influences in my life, but ultimately, it was the choices I made that got me outta that. I hate when people use their upbringing and past for excuses for everything they do in the present and their future. Get over it. We all have our BS, and what happens now is ultimately in your own hands. My $0.02 +1 The choices that you personally make at each decision point in life can have a huge bearing on how one's life plays out. No one gets to choose who their parents are but as you grow a little older, those who you choose as role models and as friends does have a HUGE bearing on your life. I was lucky to learn who to avoid at a VERY early age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivecat 3 #7 January 23, 2012 I see what you guys are saying... You def don't have control over a lot of the situations you are put in, but you gotta own responsibility for the choices you have made! I mean, I was responsible for jumping outta that plane for the first time, and it brought all of this and all you into my life. God help me now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 January 23, 2012 We are often not responsible for what happens to us. Especially as kids, we are placed into situations where we have no choice. Hence the reason why child abuse is, to me, as bad as anything. The only chance in a person’s life to be truly happy and free from the stress and bullshit of adulthood is as a child. Those who abuse take that away. But then comes the personal responsibility – how does one decide to act on the external influences. Does one look at rules set up and obey them? Challenge them? Or break them? What are the consequences for obeying? For challenging? For breaking? Those are how responsibilities go. My wife was born in New Jersey. Myself in Los Angeles. Our widely divergent paths both have led us to be in the same place. Those are the results of what has happened TO us and what we have done FOR ourselves. But for my wife being intelligent, educated, compassionate and hot I doubt I would have married her. Those all come from a mixture of events that happened to her and her choices. We are responsible for how we act. We are responsible for our reactions. Our triumphs and our failures. It’s how we improve and get better in our lives – by gauging what we could do to sustain those things we think we are doing well and to improve those things that we fail at. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #9 January 23, 2012 I Achieve nearly everything I set out to accomplish. I don't know if that is responsibly or not buti am pretty damn happy with the way my life is moving along.Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #10 January 23, 2012 QuoteI think we're mostly responsible for hop we end up, but fate plays a role in where we end up. [...] So how you end up depends on your hard work and perseverance. Where you end up, ah, I think a lot of that is chance. Like John, I think there is certainly a lot left to chance... I would also add circumstance... Our whole approach to life is very influenced by where and how we grew up, by our culture, by social norms, et cetera, et cetera. Ultimately, though, I think one's behaviour and attitude determine a lot about how one's life turns out..."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #11 January 23, 2012 Quote Let's assume the 2 extremes here... One view is that you have no choices at all - you are a product of your environment and fate drives everything. The opposite view would be you have complete free-will and are 100% responsible for everything about your life. Ok, obviously both are exaggerated, but wich end of the spectrum do you most agree with?? Hi, Nataly! Welcome to SC! (Just my prediction on where this will end up.)Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,450 #12 January 23, 2012 Hi Jeanne, Quote+1 Make me a +2. Quote those who you choose as role models and as friends does have a HUGE bearing on your life When my son when off to college I had a few talks with him; one was that he would be judged by the friends that he made. My maternal grandmother always sad, "You make your bed, you lay in it." She was the most influential person in my life. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 January 23, 2012 No, my parents are responsible for my life .. but I'm responsible for what I do with it:-) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #14 January 23, 2012 One is 100% responseable for their own life. However students are certainly not totally responsible for their safety, but this changes when they finish which ever program they've trained under. The dive master(s) should sign off on the student, most dzo's & dive masters will more often than not help w/ gear selection & canopy training. Then they become self supervised they are 100% responseable for their own safety & the safety of all of the other sky diver's that are in the blue skies with them!-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huge 0 #15 January 23, 2012 Heisenberg was wrong and Einstein was right, "God doesn't play dice." Whole universe is deterministic and therefore free will is an illusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #16 January 23, 2012 I voted boobies because the question is flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #17 January 23, 2012 I voted boobies because I like them."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #18 January 23, 2012 100% responsible! There is no God! Plus, when you are dead, you are dead! Let's make the best of the 70 years, we have. Responsibly. And also not only think about ourselves, but about our fellow men and future generations. QuoteLet's assume the 2 extremes here... One view is that you have no choices at all - you are a product of your environment and fate drives everything. The opposite view would be you have complete free-will and are 100% responsible for everything about your life. Ok, obviously both are exaggerated, but wich end of the spectrum do you most agree with?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #19 January 23, 2012 QuoteI admire your resilience. I think we're mostly responsible for hop we end up, but fate plays a role in where we end up. Sometimes I feel like my life is like a pachinko ball, bouncing from pin to pin. It's your character that determines how you act at each juncture. I'm certainly very happy with how my life has gone, but I can see that the smallest chances years ago have had HUGE effects. Like what if I had never made that first jump back in high school? I doubt I would have ended up in an aviation career, probably wouldn't have met my wife and had the amazing kids we had together. So how you end up depends on your hard work and perseverance. Where you end up, ah, I think a lot of that is chance. I agree with you John and for many of us we are lucky enough to be born in the USA which affords opportunities that most in the world will never have. As Americans we have a leg up already. There are many "self made" people i the US but would they be if they were born in Iran or for those that came here and are very happy/successful..... would it have happened in your home country? That is why I voted mostly responsible.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #20 January 23, 2012 Quote Heisenberg was wrong and Einstein was right, "God doesn't play dice." Whole universe is deterministic and therefore free will is an illusion. I didn't want to laugh and respond to this but it was preordained that I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #21 January 23, 2012 Quote I voted boobies because I like them. Doh! I need to go back and change my vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
decompresion 2 #22 January 24, 2012 Not at all responsible JESUS take the wheel!!!!There are no dangerous dives Only dangerous divers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #23 January 24, 2012 Quote Not at all responsible JESUS take the wheel!!!! fucking cop outevery instant of every day we are presented with choices, WE make the decisions to \choose any particular thing/path/belief,etc...... ad nauseum up until the age of about 12-14 (for an average educated child in western societies) our rational though processes are under developed to the point of not being capable of making well thought out choices, so many of those are made for us. From adolescence onwards we start developing skills to make informed decisions based on information in front of us, It's those decisions that we make that largely shape our lives. Even when conditions are imposed upon us, we still have choices on how and if we accept those impositions.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,450 #24 January 24, 2012 Hi mpohl, Quote Let's make the best of the 70 years, we have. That's it; its all over for me. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #25 January 24, 2012 I am responsible for all the good stuff. The bad stuff is somebody elses fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
