cpoxon 0 #1 January 20, 2005 In this post Ankie said, QuotePD is also showing a new reserve that packs like a napkin. A pd 143 with this new fabric packs like a regular 106... In this post, Kelly said Quotethey [PD] where taking a survey to see if people would buy a new reserve just because it packs smaller (this way you can have a larger reserve in the same small container). In QuotePD should run a survey on their website. I would imagine that the sample of people going to the PIA are more your full-timers in the industry type rather than your average skydiver, who would be more interested in smaller packing, big reserve. In fact, I think I'll go and post a poll on this forum. You might want to read Bushman's [url "http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1443608#1443608">comments about the new material before you cast your vote.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #2 January 20, 2005 I think it would be more beneficial to buy a new one that packs smaller, but is acutally bigger. This way people can have the small container that they want to jump the main at 1.8ish (as an example) and keep a reserve at 1:1. Just my initial thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmarvin 2 #3 January 20, 2005 Don't know.... Since Proven as safe, but slightly higher price was not an option. I would be willing to pay more, but not alot more. DJ Marvin AFF I/E, Coach/E, USPA/UPT Tandem I/E http://www.theratingscenter.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #4 January 20, 2005 I'd want to know not only that it was proven to be as safe as the current type, but also as durable, i.e. doesn't have to be sent back to PD for inspection after 25 repacks instead of the 40 for current PD reserves. If it was £1500 they could whistle for it though... Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #5 January 20, 2005 QuoteSince Proven as safe, but slightly higher price was not an option. I would be willing to pay more, but not alot more. From Bushman's comments, I think it is safe to assume that it is going to be significantly more expensive, at least in the short term.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmarvin 2 #6 January 20, 2005 I understood that from his post. But that is still my answer DJ Marvin AFF I/E, Coach/E, USPA/UPT Tandem I/E http://www.theratingscenter.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #7 January 20, 2005 QuoteI think it would be more beneficial to buy a new one that packs smaller, but is acutally bigger. This way people can have the small container that they want to jump the main at 1.8ish (as an example) and keep a reserve at 1:1. Just my initial thought. Packs smaller then what? But is actually bigger than what? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #8 January 20, 2005 You should remove several of those options. PD wouldn't sell it if it wasn't as safe as the current PDR, and if it didn't fly as good or better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #9 January 20, 2005 Did you not read the first post and grasp the concept of this thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 January 20, 2005 Yes I would. I would sell my 126R's and replace them with 143's or 176's if I could. PD is not the only company testing this new fabric by the way, but I look foward to their results.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #11 January 20, 2005 QuotePD is not the only company testing this new fabric by the way, but I look foward to their results. Unfortunately it looks like they are the only one which will be putting out products with it within, at least, the next 2.5 years. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 0 #12 January 20, 2005 Yes (and I know you would too) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 January 21, 2005 QuoteDid you not read the first post and grasp the concept of this thread? Oh, I understand the concept, I was wondering if you did. Someone jumping a main loaded at 1.8 is not likely to be shopping a reserve loaded a 1.1. That would be an exit weight of 175 lb. with a Stiletto 97 main, 234 cu.in., and PD-160R, 388 cu. in. At a 15% reduction in volume, you still have 330 cu. in. Thats a pretty big spread. A reserve loaded at 1.4 or 1.5 would be more realistic. A PD-126R at 296 cu. in. or a PD-113R at 286 cu. in. for example. Thats why I asked "Smaller than what, bigger than what"? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #14 January 21, 2005 Craig, no for me. I jump a 150 main and a 143 PDR. The only reason for me to downsize would be to get to a Wings EXT, and the hangup is my main size. So, I don't need a rig that is really small across the top but still holds a 150 main. This would be an advantage to the swoop crowd jumping 100 footers and below. The smallest rig I have ever seen jumped is Ankies (from Wings), how she could go even smaller with this new technology would have most of us making sure she was wearing a real rig, and not one of the little backpacks that have become fashionable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 January 21, 2005 QuoteUnfortunately it looks like they are the only one which will be putting out products with it within, at least, the next 2.5 years. Perhaps. Or maybe their deal is exclusive only in certain regions.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #16 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteDid you not read the first post and grasp the concept of this thread? Oh, I understand the concept, I was wondering if you did. Someone jumping a main loaded at 1.8 is not likely to be shopping a reserve loaded a 1.1. That would be an exit weight of 175 lb. with a Stiletto 97 main, 234 cu.in., and PD-160R, 388 cu. in. At a 15% reduction in volume, you still have 330 cu. in. Thats a pretty big spread. A reserve loaded at 1.4 or 1.5 would be more realistic. A PD-126R at 296 cu. in. or a PD-113R at 286 cu. in. for example. Thats why I asked "Smaller than what, bigger than what"? Sparky You were just being to analytical of my numbers given as an example, but you understand what I am conveying. Look at JP's post, he is saying the same thing shortly before your post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #17 January 21, 2005 QuoteYou should remove several of those options. Sorry, can't make any changes to the poll. QuotePD wouldn't sell it if it wasn't as safe as the current PDR, and if it didn't fly as good or better. I'm sure they wouldn't but there are as many people out there who will wait for a new product to be proven in the market as there are who will rush out and buy it based purely on the manufacturer's marketing.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #18 January 21, 2005 Hey, there is already such a reserve made by Paratec. This one also packs very small and I love it because I can but a larger reserve in the same Gear. BenediktFor every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #19 January 21, 2005 QuoteHey, there is already such a reserve made by Paratec. This one also packs very small and I love it because I can but a larger reserve in the same Gear. Benedikt If your profile is correct, the last thing you need to worry about is jumping a smaller reserve. The one you have has a w/l that is damn high, 1.46, for that experience level. How many 7 cell jumps do you have? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #20 January 21, 2005 I might upsize and fit a larger reserve in the same container. Can't go wrong with a bit bigger reserve. But really, no, I have a reserve and a container, this would only be a factor if I was looking at a new container, but if that's the context I probably would, I like the idea of having a decent sized reserve regardless of main size, ignoring my current setup for a sec , which is just a placeholder for where I want to be in the long haul with this container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #21 January 21, 2005 >Someone jumping a main loaded at 1.8 is not likely to be shopping a >reserve loaded a 1.1. I am jumping a main at almost 2:1 and I would love to get a reserve loaded under 1.3 to 1 without having to use a student-rig-sized container. So that's an exit weight of 205 lbs under a 108 main, and I'd want a 160 sq ft reserve. If I could get a 160 reserve that packed into an Icon 2 or a Mirage MX that would be great. Another answer is to get a container with a main container sized much smaller than the reserve, but not a lot of manufacturers offer that. The low-bulk reserve is a nice alternative to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #22 January 21, 2005 Quote Another answer is to get a container with a main container sized much larger than the reserve, but not a lot of manufacturers offer that. The low-bulk reserve is a nice alternative to that. Surely you mean the reserve container much larger than the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #23 January 21, 2005 QuoteSo that's an exit weight of 205 lbs under a 108 main, and I'd want a 160 sq ft reserve. If I could get a 160 reserve that packed into an Icon 2 or a Mirage MX that would be great. Like I said, "Someone jumping a main loaded at 1.8 is not likely to be shopping a reserve loaded a 1.1. " Besides, it would be un-cool not to load your reserve as close to or higher than your main. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #24 January 21, 2005 Yep, I fixed that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #25 January 21, 2005 Quote Besides, it would be un-cool not to load your reserve as close to or higher than your main. With this new fabric only your rigger would know you weren't cool . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
