wayneflorida 0 #1 February 17, 2012 Diane Sawyer sure makes this sound scaarrryyy. Those evil Cessnas. If this is California legal medical weed, say being transported to a legal retail outlet, can the feds still bust the pilots for the weed. In what ways is it legal to transport/possess weed concerning state laws? The pilot is busted for sure concerning the TFR. If the two guys were pilots, which one will claim to be pilot in command? Check your Notams guys!http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/fighters-intercept-cessna-approaching-air-force-one/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #2 February 17, 2012 Ahhh, the old 30 NM TFR around AF1. He's coming to our town this weekend, so Seattle and parts North will have the huge no-fly zone. I'm glad I'm not working the scopes this weekend. It's become a traveling air show every time the Prez comes to town. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 February 17, 2012 It’s legal in California. It’s not legal under Federal law. This is a problem that I have pointed out consistently. Just because the state won’t prosecute you doesn’t mean the feds won’t. They will. Yes, indeed, they will. These guys are going to do some significant time. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #4 February 17, 2012 Just ask Avery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #5 February 17, 2012 QuoteAhhh, the old 30 NM TFR around AF1. John, I've known about that, but always wondered how it worked? I mean, if The Prez is cruisin' along at 30K in AF1, how is it that 30Nmi TFR bubble doesn't instanly viloate many folks toolin' along in thier Cessnas and the like (not haulin' dope), down in the weeds, squwaking 1200 and not talking to anyone (and don't have to given they're in the correct airspace)? What am I missing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #6 February 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteAhhh, the old 30 NM TFR around AF1. John, I've known about that, but always wondered how it worked? I mean, if The Prez is cruisin' along at 30K in AF1, how is it that 30Nmi TFR bubble doesn't instanly viloate many folks toolin' along in thier Cessnas and the like (not haulin' dope), down in the weeds, squwaking 1200 and not talking to anyone (and don't have to given they're in the correct airspace)? What am I missing? TFR's follow the President and are usually only active when he is on the ground. When the President went on that bus tour last year (in those brand new million dollar Canadian busses) the TFR followed him in the busses. Usually the TFR circle center will be given as a radial and distance off of VOR's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #7 February 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAhhh, the old 30 NM TFR around AF1. John, I've known about that, but always wondered how it worked? I mean, if The Prez is cruisin' along at 30K in AF1, how is it that 30Nmi TFR bubble doesn't instanly viloate many folks toolin' along in thier Cessnas and the like (not haulin' dope), down in the weeds, squwaking 1200 and not talking to anyone (and don't have to given they're in the correct airspace)? What am I missing? TFR's follow the President and are usually only active when he is on the ground. When the President went on that bus tour last year (in those brand new million dollar Canadian busses) the TFR followed him in the busses. Usually the TFR circle center will be given as a radial and distance off of VOR's. Yes, I know all of that, but maybe others don't, thanks. But do they enforce the 30Nmi TFR around AF1 while its in flight, is what I was getting at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #8 February 17, 2012 QuoteIt’s legal in California. It’s not legal under Federal law. Additionally, trafficking is so heavily regulated, even in the legal locations, it's not worth trying to ship it. In Denver, possession of up to one ounce is legal. Growing has limits, and there are no provisions for shipping. Both Colorado State law and federal law prohibit shipping of marijuana.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 February 17, 2012 Yeah. He got six years. His narc was a fed. Bad news... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #10 February 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAhhh, the old 30 NM TFR around AF1. John, I've known about that, but always wondered how it worked? I mean, if The Prez is cruisin' along at 30K in AF1, how is it that 30Nmi TFR bubble doesn't instanly viloate many folks toolin' along in thier Cessnas and the like (not haulin' dope), down in the weeds, squwaking 1200 and not talking to anyone (and don't have to given they're in the correct airspace)? What am I missing? TFR's follow the President and are usually only active when he is on the ground. When the President went on that bus tour last year (in those brand new million dollar Canadian busses) the TFR followed him in the busses. Usually the TFR circle center will be given as a radial and distance off of VOR's. Yes, I know all of that, but maybe others don't, thanks. But do they enforce the 30Nmi TFR around AF1 while its in flight, is what I was getting at? I am guessing that since he is up in Class A airspace at 30k, there is NO danger from you tooling around in your cessna at 4 grand. All commercial traffic is probably given a wide berth around AF1. My guess at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 February 17, 2012 Yep, and it doesn't extend into Class A airspace, 18,000 feet and above, so all the airliners and planes up high on IFR clearances can fly right along. And when he's cruisin' in the sky himself, no special airspace around him. However, I do get a supervisor plugged in behind me to make sure I don't screw up with Air Force 1 on my scope. Even with that, there's an occasional poor sap controller that has a deal (loss of std. separation) involving AF1. Believe me, you don't wanna be That Guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #12 February 17, 2012 Quote But do they enforce the 30Nmi TFR around AF1 while its in flight, is what I was getting at? Nope, while he's flying around he just gets std. separation of 3- 5 NM laterally (depending of type of ATC radar) or 1000' vertical separation. When he comes in to land, though, then all other airport operations are held. Commercial flights go into holding patterns and departures wait on the ground. It's a bit of a headache sometimes. Once I was working AF1 and I had to turn him and stop his climb because of traffic. The pilot wasn't real pleased about that, but hey, my job isn't to make everybody happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 February 18, 2012 http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-obama-plane-20120217,0,82682.story It wasn't a near miss with AF 1 but rather a violation of the TFR and it was Marine 1 that was in transit at the time. Note the names involved. Go figure.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #14 February 18, 2012 QuoteIt’s legal in California. It’s not legal under Federal law. This is a problem that I have pointed out consistently. Just because the state won’t prosecute you doesn’t mean the feds won’t. They will. Yes, indeed, they will. These guys are going to do some significant time. WTF how do you manage to have a State Law which contravene a Federal one???You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 February 18, 2012 You can't. It's just Cali giving the finger to the feds.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #16 February 18, 2012 any reason that the Pilot(s) did NOT respond??? when contacted by ATC?? THAT was the mistake.. NOT what their "cargo" was... had they responded, AND moved out of the controlled area.... it likely would have been a non event......right??? compliance, would have been a GOOD thing... i think... hey,, any word whether that C182 had a passenger door with a Top Hinge.... instead of a "side jamb" pair of hinges????...ANd a specialty step.... to HELP when loading and unloading passengers????just wonderin' jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #17 February 18, 2012 Quote Diane Sawyer sure makes this sound scaarrryyy. Those evil Cessnas. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/fighters-intercept-cessna-approaching-air-force-one/ Quote “We determined the incursion of restricted airspace was of no protective interest,” said Leary. In other words, there was no intended threat to the president. But the pilot was in possession of narcotics, the Secret Service said. So, he was just tooling around and either didn't check the NOTAMS or didn't think he was in the space? I guess ignorance is not going to be a good plea. Quote One law enforcement source told ABC News the plane was carrying 40 pounds of marijuana. Since when is it a crime to carry weed for personal use? Quote Officials with the Long Beach Police Department did not immediately respond to ABC News’ request to confirm the type or quantity of the drugs. I'd bet they CONFIRM he had 30Lbs of weed and they have one helluva party.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #18 February 18, 2012 Corrected information previously listed on a news site>>> According to information published on the web, the aircraft owner is named "David Major", of Grover Beach, CA. A google search turned up a web page for a pretty accomplished skydiver, videographer, and tandem master. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #19 February 18, 2012 Quote According to information published on the web, the pilot is named "David Majors", of Grover Beach, CA. Uh oh.Someone earlier said "Why didn't they respond to ATC?" Depending on the type of airspace, such as Class E and G, no communications are required for VFR flight. Only when you want to fly above 17,999', into a tower controlled airport, or to fly close to a super-busy airport in Class B airspace does a VFR pilot have to talk to a controller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 February 18, 2012 Maybe the entire problem of wandering into classified air space and not responding to ATC was because they were all just stoned. They did have 40lbs of pot onboard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #21 February 18, 2012 Hi JohnWasn't there a Cessna Float plane pilot that got his hand slaped for a confict with AF 1 after he landed at Lke union a couple years ago. Didn't sound like a big deal after the pilot landed the FBO got a telephone call asking him to tell the pilot to wait around for the suits. The pilot talked with the suits at the FBO and that was the last we heard about it.R.I.P. by that got in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 February 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt’s legal in California. It’s not legal under Federal law. This is a problem that I have pointed out consistently. Just because the state won’t prosecute you doesn’t mean the feds won’t. They will. Yes, indeed, they will. These guys are going to do some significant time. WTF how do you manage to have a State Law which contravene a Federal one??? It's kinda like saying, "I don't owe income taxes. I live in Nevada." Well, the feds do things differently. Of course, it took changing the meaning of the Constitution to do it, but that's moving into SC territory. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #23 February 18, 2012 QuoteWasn't there a Cessna Float plane pilot that got his hand slaped for a confict with AF 1 after he landed at Lke union a couple years ago. I'm not sure who all gets involved when it's the Prez's security team. I know the FAA can use it's discretion, much like a traffic cop or judge, do decide if or how much punishment to mete out for infractions. A lot of it depends on intent and attitude of the violator. That has been an issue in the past, that the FAA is cop, judge, jury and executioner, with few checks and balances to control them. And if that float plane pilot had had 40# of weed in the back, I bet they'd still be holding him somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #24 February 19, 2012 Hi John I thought all the FAA could do was fine the the pilot and take away his ticket. Does the FAA have the stroke to send non FAA employee's to the big house? 40#'s of weed seems hardly worth the hassle unless this wasn't his first timeIt only takes one to wipe out a lot of The lawyers love this shit You honor my client was just a innocent passenger hitching a ride homeR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
