janz 0 #1 May 22, 2012 Hope I am in the right forum for this because this is pretty generic and more of a friendly issue than speakers corner issue. I would like to know if there are members of clergy (priests, nuns, ministers or rabbi's) who are also licensed jumpers. I know of the occasional tandem clergy passengers that have jumped. But are there any that anyone knows of that are regular fun jumpers? And if there are, how do you deal with the cursing and the dropzone culture in general? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 May 22, 2012 we had reverend Jim here on the forum.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #3 May 22, 2012 What do you mean by "how do you deal with"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #4 May 22, 2012 Quote What do you mean by "how do you deal with"? either ignore, make remarks, try to preach into being a "good whatever religious", stick earplugs, or just SIUCC scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justme12001 0 #5 May 22, 2012 I know of a chaplin that is a fun jumper, he is also a TI. He seems to be pretty laid back, doesn't walk around the dz preaching and doesn't get onto people about cursing when he's around. On the other hand all the fun jumpers know he is a chaplin and seem to act a little more mature when he is around, All in all we just treat him like one of us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
janz 0 #6 May 22, 2012 QuoteWhat do you mean by "how do you deal with"?I would think a clergy member would find the cursing, sex talk and dirty jokes offensive. So do they just ignore it or do they approach others and try to find other things in common to discuss. Please I didn't mean to imply do they push their particular sect of faith on others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #7 May 22, 2012 I think most people understand how the world goes round Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #8 May 22, 2012 Its like the police that jump, you have fun jumping with them and they are your friends but you don't invite them to your cocaine fuelled keg party. Same with the priest, you don't invite them along to try and have a gangbang with this months new hot aff students. I think its called having tact, you know, acting appropriately to the given situation.Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 May 22, 2012 There's also another fairly regular poster on here, I'll let him speak for himself if he chooses, who I believe is former Army SF, is an experienced jumper (I think he's a TI) and is also an ordained minister. I haven't met him personally, but from his posts on here he seems pretty well-adjusted. Most clergy had lives before they began divinity training, and for most, that probably included saying "fuck you" and looking at pictures of titties when they were teenagers. I really doubt that in their hearts most of them are really all that offended by commonplace profanity, as if a switch in their heads was flipped when they were ordained; they just set a different example with their own language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 May 22, 2012 QuoteSame with the priest, you don't invite them along to try and have a gangbang with this months new hot aff students. Clergy generally, or priests in particular? Forum rules prohibit me from being more specific. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #11 May 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteSame with the priest, you don't invite them along to try and have a gangbang with this months new hot aff students. Clergy generally, or priests in particular? Forum rules prohibit me from being more specific. yeah. Haha i could have added another sentence to that post. I think youth previous post sums it up pretty well. They chose to act as an example of what they believe is appropriate, while i don't think they are horribly offended by others language.Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #12 May 22, 2012 Members of clergy are not allowed to jump at my new drop zone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #13 May 22, 2012 Probably no different for them than it is for any very religious person on the dz. I know jumpers with strong religious beliefs who deal with it fine. Just like recovering alcoholic jumpers deal with the beer culture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #14 May 22, 2012 Being ordained or not has nothing to do with how "religious" a person is. It only makes a person more visible. I have known ministers/priests (of a couple of different denominations) who have had the biggest potty-mouths ever, and others who are not ordained, but much more "subdued" in their faith, and never a dirty or crass word passes their lips. Personally, there are certain words that I don't include in my vocabulary due to religious conviction. They offend me to hear as well, but I don't get on the speaker for them (I am no one's conscience). Other words I don't think are "wrong", but I try not to use because a potty-mouth is not attractive, and vocabulary says a great deal about a person. All I can say is if you are aware of a certain person (on or off the DZ) who finds cussing/cursing offensive, try to curb it around that person. It's a courtesy, and a consideration for their sensibilities, not something that the religious person probably expects. Lets face it, if it was a deal-breaker for skydivers, they just wouldn't come back. As far as first time jumpers and other newbs, if you are on staff of the DZ, it is extremely unprofessional behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in any other business.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #15 May 22, 2012 We have to tolerate hearing their prayers and their blessing of us as well as being told how to behave and how screwed our everafter is due to a few words and some beverages, then they can deal with hearing me say fuck once in awhile. I'm always puzzled how people allow themselves to be offended. You'd play hell trying to offend me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #16 May 22, 2012 Quote I think its called having tact, you know, acting appropriately to the given situation. I think you give skydivers waaaaaay too much credit. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #17 May 22, 2012 We've had big church groups come out to make tandems and first jumps. Nice people, but the prayer circle before getting on the plane worries me. It's nice to go to heaven if your chute doesn't work, but I'd rather spend my pre-jump moments reviewing my EP's and checking my gear. I have and have had church leaders as jumping buddies. It's not a big deal but I'm not really that much of a bad-a$$ heathen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 May 22, 2012 Quote You'd play hell trying to offend me. So...I guess now would be a good time to tell you about deodorant? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #19 May 22, 2012 Quote Quote You'd play hell trying to offend me. So...I guess now would be a good time to tell you about deodorant? If you're having to tell him to use deodorant, he's still the offender rather than the offedee lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #20 May 22, 2012 Quote ... cocaine fuelled keg party...have a gangbang with this months new hot aff students. Where do you jump again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 May 22, 2012 Quote We've had big church groups come out to make tandems and first jumps. Nice people, but the prayer circle before getting on the plane worries me. It's nice to go to heaven if your chute doesn't work, but I'd rather spend my pre-jump moments reviewing my EP's and checking my gear. I think, from their perspective, that's exactly what they're doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #22 May 22, 2012 The issue of offense at cursing is such an interesting one to me. Of course, there is a Commandment about not taking the Lord's name in vain. But isn't that a bit Old Testament? I mean, in the New Testament, Jesus proclaims that there are only two tenants a person really needs to follow (accept God as your savior and love thy neighbor) to be accepted into Heaven. So if a person is against taking the Lord's name in vain, doesn't that make them a proponent of the Old Testament? And if so, are the taking care not to shave their beards, sacrificing their daughters to the mob, not eating animals with cloven hooves, and all the other Old Testament (read Torah) laws that can get them killed? I mean, if you're a Levitican, that's fine by me, but don't be a hypocritical Levitican. And with that, I'll see you all in Speaker's Corner Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #23 May 22, 2012 QuoteAnd with that, I'll see you all in Speaker's Corner Amen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #24 May 22, 2012 I think you are missing the question posed in the OP. It's not about why a person believes a certain way or the merits of one belief system vs another, or even if you think he is a hypocrite. It's about how you behave around a person whom you know finds a particular behavior offensive, and conversely how they react to offensive behavior they encounter.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #25 May 22, 2012 They judge someone's behavior based on their own beliefs. How is this my problem? [tit] I behave based on many things....someone else's religious views isn't one of them. They certainly don't appreciate mine when I'm at a biker rally and have to tolerate them SCREAMING at us in the middle of the street.[tat] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
