jcd11235 0 #26 August 24, 2012 QuoteOk, so in the case of sneaking into the theater, would there be actual damages? Yes. The damages would be minimal, but non-zero.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #27 August 24, 2012 So would all theft and other crimes be considered ok so long as nobody was hurt in the commission of the criminal act? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #28 August 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo by your reasoning, if someone didn't have the money, or had the money but wouldn't have gone to see it if they had to pay for it, it isn't "wrong." No, I've made no such judgements about anything being right or wrong or anything in between. That's all subjective. I've only shown that there are no actual damages in such cases. I don't believe the courts agree with you, as they have been quite willing to award damages in such situations."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #29 August 24, 2012 QuoteSo would all theft and other crimes be considered ok so long as nobody was hurt in the commission of the criminal act? As far as I know, distribution (i.e., uploading) of copyrighted digital material is a civil, not criminal offense. In some countries, downloading (without uploading) pirated files is expressly legal. In other countries, it's a legal grey area. The premise of your question is inconsistent with the topic at hand.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #30 August 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo by your reasoning, if someone didn't have the money, or had the money but wouldn't have gone to see it if they had to pay for it, it isn't "wrong." No, I've made no such judgements about anything being right or wrong or anything in between. That's all subjective. I've only shown that there are no actual damages in such cases. I don't believe the courts agree with you, as they have been quite willing to award damages in such situations. What courts have awarded damages for downloading only? The cases I've read about all involved peer to peer sharing, which involves uploading (i.e., distribution).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #31 August 24, 2012 I'm under the understanding that stealing something without paying for it is theft. "The premise of your question is inconsistent with the topic at hand. " - yet the discussion is about stealing movie downloads....hmmm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 August 24, 2012 QuoteI'm under the understanding that stealing something without paying for it is theft. "The premise of your question is inconsistent with the topic at hand. " - yet the discussion is about stealing movie downloads....hmmm. It is with good reason that the law deals with digital piracy differently than it deals with criminal offenses like stealing. The two are not as analogous as they might first appear.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #33 August 24, 2012 JFGI and that's only the first hit I got. ETA: I have first hand knowledge of charges that were pushed federally against multiple ISP customers for downloading. Some music, some copyrighted materials, one in particular was for MS Office download via Pirate Bay. I am legally bound to not discuss those cases. I love getting a subpoena request. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 August 24, 2012 Quote JFGI and that's only the first hit I got. ETA: I have first hand knowledge of charges that were pushed federally against multiple ISP customers for downloading. Some music, some copyrighted materials, one in particular was for MS Office download via Pirate Bay. I am legally bound to not discuss those cases. I love getting a subpoena request. Generally, P2P file sharing, such as Kazaa and bit torrent involves downloading and uploading. That's what happened in the case you referenced. I'll ask again: What courts have awarded damages for downloading only?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #35 August 24, 2012 So you didn't read the details of the case then. thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 August 24, 2012 QuoteSo you didn't read the details of the case then. I did. Apparently you did not, as it was not an example of what I asked about. Do you understand the difference between downloading and uploading? Do you understand how bit torrent works? Do you understand how other P2P methods work? Did you notice that Jammie Thomas-Rasset was not convicted of a crime? Did you notice that all damages were statutory and not actual?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #37 August 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt absolutely is. You are watching the movie and not paying for it. That's exactly the same as sneaking into a movie theater and not buying a ticket. So if I download it but don't watch the movie, did I steal anything? If so, isn't the theatre company stealing from the distributor if a movie is shown with empty seats in the audience? Let’s try and make it real simple. If something, anything, is for sale and you take it without paying for it…..that is called stealing. You can put any spin on it you wish that may make you fell all warm and fuzzy about your actions but it is still…STEALING. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #38 August 25, 2012 Excuse me, I apologize that this thread has derailed, but to get back to my original request... QuoteLooking for suggestions/recommendations for a service. Here are my criteria: - download, not live streaming - not a pirate site, I am happy to pay for them because I refuse to steal. - price point from 6.99 to 9.99 per unit - accessible from Canada - good quality compression - writable from my computer to an external storage device so I can use a stand-alone DVR (eliminates iTunes) - large selection with emphasis on current releases (eliminates Netflix) - infinite plays/transfers Thanks for all advice I am still awaiting advice. If you don't mind. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #39 August 25, 2012 Quote Excuse me, I apologize that this thread has derailed, but to get back to my original request... Quote Looking for suggestions/recommendations for a service. Here are my criteria: - download, not live streaming - not a pirate site, I am happy to pay for them because I refuse to steal. - price point from 6.99 to 9.99 per unit - accessible from Canada - good quality compression - writable from my computer to an external storage device so I can use a stand-alone DVR (eliminates iTunes) - large selection with emphasis on current releases (eliminates Netflix) - infinite plays/transfers Thanks for all advice I am still awaiting advice. If you don't mind. John John, I am sorry I don’t have any advice for you. I am too computer stupid to help you.SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #40 August 25, 2012 QuoteWell, in Canada try CinemaNow or MovieLink. Thanks for those. Cinema Now seems a possible fit. I'll be looking into their service further. MovieLink is unfortunately not available in Canada. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
