1969912 0 #1 September 2, 2012 Looks like fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrTVKaPjDg "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #2 September 2, 2012 He's been watching "Grinding the Crack" too much. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #3 September 3, 2012 Quote He's been watching "Grinding the Crack" too much. SAIL scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 September 3, 2012 Too bad the audio is out of sync here: http://rt.com/news/war-plane-highway-russia-188/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #5 September 3, 2012 We clear those guys into those low level routes all day. That one is down in the D area, South of my airspace. I knew those guys were having fun, but I didn't know they were having THAT much fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #6 September 3, 2012 Quote We clear those guys into those low level routes all day. That one is down in the D area, South of my airspace. I knew those guys were having fun, but I didn't know they were having THAT much fun. I was going to ask you about that but forgot. How does ATC handle something like that? What about GA aircraft in the area? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 September 3, 2012 When I was at General Dynamics in the late '80's, I got to see the HUD video from an F-16 that was doing that. The part where he flew through the trees was interesting. And I mean *THROUGH* trees!It tore up the shock wave generating lip around the engine air inlet, and it tore up the ventral fins under the tail. The engine was running rough as it chewed on the tree limbs. He immediately went for all the altitude he could get while calling for his wingman to escort him to the nearest base. He landed it w/o further incident. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 September 4, 2012 Quote I was going to ask you about that but forgot. How does ATC handle something like that? What about GA aircraft in the area? There are two basic types of low level MTR's (military training routes). Both are marked on civilian pilots' sectional charts and flight service distributes the NOTAMs (Notice to Airmen) when they'll be in use. The VR routes, such as that F-18 was in, are Visual Flight Rules routes and must be flown only in good weather. The aircraft cancel their IFR flight plan, squawk 4000 on their transponder and leave the ATC frequency. Depending on radar coverage, we may or may not see them in the route. Usually not. You see how low they fly!The IR routes are Instrument Flight Rules routes and may be flown in any weather, in and out of the clouds, darkness and/or bad visibility. The aircraft must be cleared into the route and maintain specified altitudes for each segment of the route. We separate non participating aircraft from the military aircraft in the routes. Once again, they are off our frequencies and only intermittently in radar contact. Military aircraft in either type of route still run the risk of midair collisions with VFR aircraft operating legally, but perhaps foolishly, in the middle of an MTR at low altitude. A crop duster and an A-6 had such a run in years ago in Eastern Washington State. All pilots survived. The Ag plane crashed but I believe the Navy jet made it back to the base. One day I had a VFR Cessna flying across an IR route while there was an A-6 Intruder down in the route below my radar coverage. I called estimated traffic positions to the little Cessna. All of s sudden, in an excited voice, he replied "Oh, we got him, Center. And boy, HE'S HAULIN'!" Must have been quite the sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #9 September 4, 2012 Thanks. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
