Where are the Lance Armstrong threads?

[riddler 0]

I'll get this started
The Onion

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[Remster 30]

It's not like its really news!

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[ryoder 1,590]

http://www.bikeforums.net/

And we don't need any more!

Of course one of our finest news sites predicted all this last winter:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/antidoping-agency-has-a-bunch-of-old-tour-de-franc,27331/

And from 5 years ago: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nondoping-cyclists-finish-tour-de-france,2268/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Mr_Polite 0]

I don't see why anyone would give a shit about this. It's not news, big deal he took something he wasn't supposed to. It's just bike racing.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Didn't you get the memo? Lance Armstrong has been erased from history. He never existed.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[david3 0]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-16-2012/back-in-black---lance-armstrong--butt-chugging---farm-animal-sex

[masterrig 1]

He's just another cheating, arrogant jerk.


Chuck

[AggieDave 6]

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He's just another cheating, arrogant jerk.


Chuck

If my math is right, since the next top 20 finishers in those 7 Tour de France races were all implicated in various doping problems, I think you may have won two of the races yourself...

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[ryoder 1,590]

This is the best recent article I've seen outlining how the whole thing came crashing down:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/sports/how-armstrongs-wall-fell-one-rider-at-a-time.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[masterrig 1]

But... but... I didn't even enter!
I just can't handle cheaters, thieves or liars.


Chuck

[ryoder 1,590]

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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-16-2012/back-in-black---lance-armstrong--butt-chugging---farm-animal-sex

I saw that last week;
"One honest man in America, and he's a donkey..."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

I think this illustrates the situation best:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/sports/top-finishers-of-the-tour-de-france-tainted-by-doping.html

I especially like the 2003 tour results. Seven of the top 10 in the general classification tested positive, admitted to doping, or were sanctioned by an official cycling or antidoping agency so far

1st: Armstrong
2nd: Ulrich
3rd: Vinokourov
4th: Hamilton
6th: Mayo
7th: Basso
8th: Moreau

It's a safe bet that many others were doing the same thing - Armstrong passed over 250 drug tests and wasn't outed until stepping on too many toes winning the most Tour de France races in history.

Perhaps all of the real contenders were doping.

It's not unreasonable to look at the evidence and conclude that for practical purposes (the testing process didn't keep up with the doping process) doping was permitted.

It's also worth noting that drugs were allowed in the Tour for longer than they've been officially banned - 1903 through 1964, with the first testing in 1965.

In the 1930 rule book they actually had to remind riders that drugs were not among items with which they would be provided.

[monkycndo 0]

Lay off Lance. It's not nice to kick a man in the ball when he's down.

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[oldwomanc6 60]

Slightly off topic (but not much).

What about the cancer? What are the odds that it was because of the "enhancing" drugs? What is the current thought on this. I haven't heard anything, but I don't follow it. Just curious. You'd think the media would be all over this.

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[ryoder 1,590]

46m Australian documentary that aired a week ago:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/11/3608613.htm

Very damning of LA *and* the UCI's complicity in covering up doping.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[piisfish 140]

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Lay off Lance. It's not nice to kick a man in the ball when he's down.

In my opinion there is a good reason why the UCI wants to settle this quickly, and that nobody wants to have the titles given to the "next on the list".

Nobody know who would be a legitimate first.

All cheaters are/were covered, the whole organisation is rotten.

Despite the "cheat" factor, he was/is a great cyclist. Unfortunately on the dark side.

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[Andy9o8 2]

Yeah; but NFL behemoths get that way just from lots of lifting and eating. Glad we understand the difference now.

[AggieDave 6]

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Yeah; but NFL behemoths get that way just from lots of lifting and eating. Glad we understand the difference now.

This month's Men's Journal has an interesting article on NFL player's drug abuse. Not PEDs like you would think, but prescription pain medication. Interesting read.

Once again, anyone surprised by any of this should watch "Bigger, Faster, Stronger*" the documentary that Chris Bell put together.

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[masterrig 1]

I'm wondering if, the little seat on his bike had something to do with it.


Chuck

[jakee 1,594]

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I don't see why anyone would give a shit about this. It's not news, big deal he took something he wasn't supposed to. It's just bike racing.

But even if you don't give a shit that he took drugs , it's not just that.

He took an insurance company to court and perjured himself in order to defraud them of $7.5M dollars in win bonuses. He's taken people to court for libel and committed perjury in order to win retractions and damages. He's attacked and in some cases ruined the careers, reputations and lives of many former friends, colleagues and employees that he thought might attempt to expose his cheating.

He's a thief and fraudster on a huge scale, he is a criminal both morally and actually, and he's basically a complete bastard who thinks nothing of trampling over anyone who gets in his way.

That's what I've taken away from this anyway.




(A few months ago I did question whether USADA should be raking up the past to bust Armstrong instead of letting sleeping dogs lie. They were right, I was wrong.)

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[Southern_Man 0]

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Slightly off topic (but not much).

What about the cancer? What are the odds that it was because of the "enhancing" drugs? What is the current thought on this. I haven't heard anything, but I don't follow it. Just curious. You'd think the media would be all over this.

If you read through all of the supported tesimony and other material it apppears that Lance did not use HGH after the cancer because he believed that may have accelerated the spread.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[lawrocket 3]

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Perhaps all of the real contenders were doping.

The fact that they won't put anyone as a winner those years because 20 of the 21 spots on the podium between 1999 and 2005 were implicated in doping says everything one needs to know about cycling.

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[jakee 1,594]

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Perhaps all of the real contenders were doping.

The fact that they won't put anyone as a winner those years because 20 of the 21 spots on the podium between 1999 and 2005 were implicated in doping says everything one needs to know about cycling.

But then, if (for instance) the NFL had anything like the same level of doping controls as pro cycling, how many superbowl winners over that period would have no links with doping?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?