Cypres 8 year

[LearningTOfly 0]

What does an eight year inspection for a cypres 1 costs?

Thanks, LTF

[PhreeZone 20]

http://www.cypres-usa.com/cypres08.pdf

Maintence is $160 plus $79 for a new battery and shipping.

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[Tonto 1]

Which when you look at the Cypres calculator cost of an 8 year old due for a check, makes it cheaper to buy a new Cypres than cost per year for the remaining 4 years vs cost of new for remaining 12 years. 8 year old - due for check - are ecconomic throw aways...

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[bliston 0]

Could you explain your logic a bit more...

Ben

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[sdctlc 0]

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Which when you look at the Cypres calculator cost of an 8 year old due for a check, makes it cheaper to buy a new Cypres than cost per year for the remaining 4 years vs cost of new for remaining 12 years. 8 year old - due for check - are ecconomic throw aways...

t

I dont agree with that depending on the costs that are associated:

Say you already have the unit and need it done. about ~$200 (includig shipping to and from if the service is 160 plus shipping) for the service and then ~$150 for two batteries till end of life which for this example is 4 years + 3mo. (51 months) If you alredy own the cypress then the cost to maintain to end of life is $6.87/month (6.87 x 51 = 350) or $82.44/year

If you buy a new on at say $1000 then add a 4 year and 8 year check and 6 batteries you get a total of $1850 (1000 + 200 + 200 + (75 x6)). Given 12 years +3 mo (147mo) you get a monthly break down of $12.59 /mo or $151.02 a year based on a new unit at the above noted numbers meeting all maintence requirements.

Now if you looking to buy a unit and you can calculate the maximum price to pay as a total cost of the used unit including the following: purchase cost, service and battery costs needed till end of life. If it is equal to or less then the cost per year of a new Cypress 1 unit then it is not an economic void. I would say that getting a used cypress can be a great way to get a cypress and save money, espically if you cant afford a new unit.

Using the above noted prices you are looking at a price to buy a 8 year cypress of about $300 if it needs a check and 2 batteries through its end of life to break out to the yearly cost over life from new.... $12.59/mo x 51 months = $641.84 then subtract out the serive and batteries ($350 estmated from above) you end up with just under $300 (~$292)

Scott C.

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[Tonto 1]

I live in Africa.

Recalculate to include shipping, 800 dives every 2 years (Extra batterey costs) and subtract having the use of the cypres for 6 months. (3 months per service)

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[sdctlc 0]

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I live in Africa.

Recalculate to include shipping, 800 dives every 2 years (Extra batterey costs) and subtract having the use of the cypres for 6 months. (3 months per service)

t

Well I dont know about the costs for shipping in Africa but I think that if in the states then my numbers (USD) hold true for the majority of jumpers and the unit is not an economic void.

Also I would venture to guess that most jumpers only change batteries at the 2 year mark and not every 500 jumps which only the jumper can truley quantify but if you did do 400 jumps a year that breaks down to 1700 over the 4years +3mo and would add one more battery into the mix. Then the cost to buy should not go over $220 based on the calculations I noted above.... the extra $75 added in...

We are comparing apples to oranges...

Scott C.

"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!"

[mjosparky 4]

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If you buy a new on at say $1000 then add a 4 year and 8 year check and 6 batteries you get a total of $1850 (1000 + 200 + 200 + (75 x6)). Given 12 years +3 mo (147mo) you get a monthly break down of $12.59 /mo or $151.02 a year based on a new unit at the above noted numbers meeting all maintence requirements

If you buy a new one, subtract $450.00 (75x6) from your figures. The battery is replaced at time of maintenance and included in the flat rate cost.

You end up with $9.52 a month or $114.00 a year.

Sparky

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[matthewcline 0]

When I bought a new cypress I looked at is as a 12 year investment. To me, throwing away a device that is good for 4 more years is not economical.

If I threw some thing away at 8 years with 1/3 its life still left then every 16 years I would through 1 whole device away.

An easier way for me was to look at the device lasting 12 years, that is 2 in 24 years. But if i through it away after 8 years that is 3 in 24 years and that is a $1000.00 expendature I do not have.

Just an opinion of a "frugal" skydiver.

Matt

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[kelpdiver 2]

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When I bought a new cypress I looked at is as a 12 year investment. To me, throwing away a device that is good for 4 more years is not economical.

The original poster is very likely asking this question because he's looking at buying a used Cypres. One that needs an 8 year check done.

Priced appropriately, it makes sense for a new jumper because it can drop the cost of an AAD equipped rig by nearly $1000. But with the tight inventory over the past month, many are priced terribly - $400-500 for a unit that needs $260 to become airworthy, and good for only 4 years. As Tonto says, terrible on a per year basis compared to a new unit.

OTOH, the weak dollar policy is making that Cypres2 $1325 and climbing.

[councilman24 37]

Two weeks ago when I asked SSK the service price for a cypres 2 had NOT yet been determined. IF it includes the batteries I would expect it to be more than the current $160 plus shipping. So at best subtract 3x$75.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[mjosparky 4]

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Two weeks ago when I asked SSK the service price for a cypres 2 had NOT yet been determined. IF it includes the batteries I would expect it to be more than the current $160 plus shipping. So at best subtract 3x$75.

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The factory price of CYPRES 1 has never increased - Unlike most skydiving equipment, the price has been steady for over 12 years. Although the initial purchase price of CYPRES 2 is higher, for the skydiver the new CYPRES is less expensive than the old one because you will never have to purchase a battery! The power supply handling of CYPRES 2 is simply a portion of the maintenance, and included in the cost. The intention is to keep the maintenance flat rate (inflation effects and other possible future impacts excluded) where it is, but eliminate the whole power supply issue.

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[thelem 0]

Assuming these prices, I know they are not totally accurate, but they make the maths easier

New Cypres (1 or 2): $1300
Maintainance: $150
Battery: $75

Therefore, over 12 years a cypres 1 costs:
$1300 + (2 x $150) + (5 * $75) = $1975 or $164 per year
A cypres 2 costs:
$1300 + (2 x $150) = $1600 or $133 per year

To extend the life of an 8 year old cypres by 4 years will cost $150 + (2 x $75) = $300 or $75 per year. Therefore it is cheaper per year to service your cypres 1 than it is to buy a new cypres 2.

What it does mean, is that it is not economical to pay more than:
(cost of cypres 2 for 4 years) - (cost of servicing cypres 1)
($133 * 4) - $300 = $232
For a cypres with 4 years left that needs servicing.

Put in your own figures, but I'm sure it will come out as servicing being cheaper than buying a cypres 2.

[councilman24 37]

Yep, and by phone two weeks ago, they have NOT set the price. If they kept it flat and included the battery it would be $235.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[mjosparky 4]

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Yep, and by phone two weeks ago, they have NOT set the price. If they kept it flat and included the battery it would be $235.

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but it sounds to me like they are saying you do not have to buy a battery.

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CYPRES is less expensive than the old one because you will never have to purchase a battery!

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[FrogNog 1]

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When I bought a new cypress I looked at is as a 12 year investment. To me, throwing away a device that is good for 4 more years is not economical.

If I threw some thing away at 8 years with 1/3 its life still left then every 16 years I would through 1 whole device away.

An easier way for me was to look at the device lasting 12 years, that is 2 in 24 years. But if i through it away after 8 years that is 3 in 24 years and that is a $1000.00 expendature I do not have.

Just an opinion of a "frugal" skydiver.

Matt

If the new sale price for a device (or its equivalent) comes down faster than you use up the lifespan of a device you previously bought and have to pay to continue using, that leads to the case where it's cheaper to throw away what you have (or sell it for a "loss") and buy the replacement.

There are lots of detail costs to look at - transaction cost, repack, inconvenience, etc.. But economics and ideals do not always simply align.

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[bob.dino 1]

The Australian Parachute Federation have a chart showing the worth of a Cypres or Cypres 2 over time. Be aware that the figures are in AUD.