ryoder 1,590 #1 February 14, 2013 http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/02/12/students-boycott-final-challenge-professors-grading-policy-and-get"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #2 February 14, 2013 Wow. I'm amazed by the end result. ETA - changed in order not to spoil the reading."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #3 February 14, 2013 Awesome, both the students, and the professor for recognizing the benefit of the cooperative effort. And, frankly, in the long run I think a final project is a better test for students in many subjects than an exam anyway. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #4 February 15, 2013 I've never graded on a curve. I have an absolute grading scale that I tell the students at the beginning of the course.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 February 15, 2013 If there is a real danger to the video game generation, it's their development of the "game the system" approach to life. If there is even 0.01% advantage to be found and exploited through loopholes, they will find it and justify their shenanigans with it. Of course, this always happened at the corporate level, but now it's a concept entreched in an entire generation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #6 February 15, 2013 QuoteIf there is a real danger to the video game generation, it's their development of the "game the system" approach to life. If there is even 0.01% advantage to be found and exploited through loopholes, they will find it and justify their shenanigans with it. Of course, this always happened at the corporate level, but now it's a concept entreched in an entire generation. Be careful, Paul, a greenie might send the thread to SC.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 February 15, 2013 Still talking about video games. Have you ever stepped into the World of Warcraft? It is unbelievable what lengths people will go through to analyze and exploit even the tiniests of advantages. And this is just for a trivial game that is supposed to be fun. I can only imagine what goes through their heads when it comes to taking advantage of minutia for real life exploits.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #8 February 16, 2013 QuoteStill talking about video games. Have you ever stepped into the World of Warcraft? It is unbelievable what lengths people will go through to analyze and exploit even the tiniests of advantages. And this is just for a trivial game that is supposed to be fun. I can only imagine what goes through their heads when it comes to taking advantage of minutia for real life exploits. I have not, but my son is a regular regional champion. Yes, he's a CS geek and a manager for Oracle.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycatcher68 7 #9 February 16, 2013 Quote I've never graded on a curve. I have an absolute grading scale that I tell the students at the beginning of the course. This professor doesn't grade on the curve, either. If the highest score is 40/40 then the grading isn't affected. If the highest score is less than 100% then he's effectively giving every student extra credit on the exam. There's no curve involved.What if the Bible had been written by Stephen King? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #10 February 16, 2013 QuoteQuote I've never graded on a curve. I have an absolute grading scale that I tell the students at the beginning of the course. This professor doesn't grade on the curve, either. If the highest score is 40/40 then the grading isn't affected. If the highest score is less than 100% then he's effectively giving every student extra credit on the exam. There's no curve involved. Math isn't your strong suit, eh?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #11 February 16, 2013 Personally, I don't think the students should all have gotten A's. I think their shenanigans went against the principle behind the grading system (which is to give consistent results - and not reward fucktards for not taking the exam at all). Giving everyone an (undeserved) A not only devalues those results but the results of all students who legitimately got an A. Boo."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #12 February 16, 2013 QuotePersonally, I don't think the students should all have gotten A's. I think their shenanigans went against the principle behind the grading system (which is to give consistent results - and not reward fucktards for not taking the exam at all). Giving everyone an (undeserved) A not only devalues those results but the results of all students who legitimately got an A. Boo. Don't hate the playa. Hate the game. /hated the curve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycatcher68 7 #13 February 17, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote I've never graded on a curve. I have an absolute grading scale that I tell the students at the beginning of the course. This professor doesn't grade on the curve, either. If the highest score is 40/40 then the grading isn't affected. If the highest score is less than 100% then he's effectively giving every student extra credit on the exam. There's no curve involved. Math isn't your strong suit, eh? Okay then, explain how his curve works.What if the Bible had been written by Stephen King? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 February 17, 2013 "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 February 17, 2013 Quote I've never graded on a curve. I have an absolute grading scale that I tell the students at the beginning of the course. Good onn you! Well, I guess tht depends on just what your scale is. The method mused by THAT (I use the term loosely) ahem, teacher only serves one purpose and one purpose only - to make the "teacher" look better. If top score = 50/100, say. Did the student learn anything? Not much. Certainly not enough to warrant an A for the test.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #16 February 17, 2013 Here's my .02 worth. I went to tough Christian schools, if any of us that went there had pulled this crap we would have been given one opportunity to return to class, if we didn't then each of our parents would have been called and we would have gotten suspended. Adore my parents but crud on seeing my mom after getting suspended from school. Ok, I'll brag and say I didn't even get any demerits my last 3 years of high school. No, I wasn't a suck up, I just respected authority and the rules that were set in place. I was also taught the work hard and study harder rule and I earned each grade I got. No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #17 February 17, 2013 Quote Personally, I don't think the students should all have gotten A's. I think their shenanigans went against the principle behind the grading system (which is to give consistent results - and not reward fucktards for not taking the exam at all). Giving everyone an (undeserved) A not only devalues those results but the results of all students who legitimately got an A. Boo. Given the teacher's grading criteria, I think every student deserves an "A". STUPID TEACHER. Teachers are there to teach. Students are there to learn. In this case students learned the teacher left a GIANT loophole in how they graded students. Booooohyah! A's for everyone. No different than if this was a computer course. (hacking optional). The teacher should be proud of his (unintentional) schooling of his students. Knowledge is always good! Degrees are overrated. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #18 February 17, 2013 I'm a parochial school brat, too. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #19 February 17, 2013 Quote I'm a parochial school brat, too. Oh so you went to the "easy" school. I'm a Baptist brat. Nothing tougher then a Baptist school.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #20 February 17, 2013 Quote Quote I'm a parochial school brat, too. Oh so you went to the "easy" school. I'm a Baptist brat. Nothing tougher then a Baptist school. I went to the Baptist school. and then when THE Lutheran High School finally opened, I went there. First Graduating Class. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #21 February 17, 2013 Anyway, back to the subject. Either you know it or you don't. Grade accordingly.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #22 February 17, 2013 Quote Anyway, back to the subject. Either you know it or you don't. Grade accordingly. Totally agreeNo matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #23 February 17, 2013 QuoteIf top score = 50/100, say. Did the student learn anything? Not much. Certainly not enough to warrant an A for the test. Yep. Or the test was bad (which also happens). Either way, there is a problem, and automatically adjusting is not the solution (IMO). Back to Wendy's point: I agree that working together is *usually* a good thing... In this case, however, they were not working toward a worthy cause - they were just being selfish brats and bullying everyone into complying with their plan. What should jave happened?? The instigators of the collective effort should have gotten an F - everyone else should have been given the opportunity to retake the test or get an F."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #24 February 17, 2013 Quote A+, I'm sayin' . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #25 February 17, 2013 Quote What should jave happened?? The instigators of the collective effort should have gotten an F - everyone else should have been given the opportunity to retake the test or get an F. As far as I can recall, none of my professors graded on a curve. With that said, I feel okay with what the professor did. In fact, he was very gracious and decided not to ruin a bunch of GPA's to "get even." I admire that. He was smart, too, to change his policy. Who were the instigators? How many? At what level in the scheme do you separate the instigators from the followers. Complicated questions best left undisturbed. Learn from all this and move on. IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
