Andy9o8 2 #26 March 10, 2013 QuoteQuoteShould I add that the very worst offenders around here...... the local cops ...city and county...do at least 50 or 60 on the 35 MPH county road I live on... but hey... its not as if one of the other blue line will say shit about that no matter if they are in their cruiser... or personal vehicle. You also assume that I tolerate such nonsense in their POV or in a marked unit. I do not and nor do many others. I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #27 March 10, 2013 I believe the bad apples are a small percentage compared to the regular ones that do there jobs without the power trip mentality. Quote My little community has a 50/50 ratio. 1/2 of these guys are doing their best to serve the community, the other 1/2 have no business wearing a badge. We're actually 'part' of Houston so they tend to rotate in & out....thankfully! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #28 March 10, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Should I add that the very worst offenders around here...... the local cops ...city and county...do at least 50 or 60 on the 35 MPH county road I live on... but hey... its not as if one of the other blue line will say shit about that no matter if they are in their cruiser... or personal vehicle. You also assume that I tolerate such nonsense in their POV or in a marked unit. I do not and nor do many others. I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #29 March 10, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Should I add that the very worst offenders around here...... the local cops ...city and county...do at least 50 or 60 on the 35 MPH county road I live on... but hey... its not as if one of the other blue line will say shit about that no matter if they are in their cruiser... or personal vehicle. You also assume that I tolerate such nonsense in their POV or in a marked unit. I do not and nor do many others. I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #30 March 10, 2013 Quote I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. The rules apply. Just like the citizens around me, I try to abide by them and I don't tolerate those around me who think otherwise. As for the video/audio recording? Record all you want, although we might need your copy for evidence, but I'm already recording everything I do with video/audio (yes, I have a full digital video system on my motorcycle) and another angle might be nice to have. Maybe it has to be with being a skydiving, but there's no such thing as too many camera angles.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyingRhenquest 1 #31 March 10, 2013 Quote You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. Court case after court case has found that you can. The Obama administration recently filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting peoples' right to film police officers in public places.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,459 #32 March 10, 2013 Hi Dave, QuoteAs for the . . . audio recording? Record all you want I would not recommend that in Oregon. To make an audio recording of a LEO while on duty is a felony in this state. Video recording is too new for them to make it illegal, yet. IMO not fair, but that is the law. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #33 March 10, 2013 QuoteHi Dave, QuoteAs for the . . . audio recording? Record all you want I would not recommend that in Oregon. To make an audio recording of a LEO while on duty is a felony in this state. Video recording is too new for them to make it illegal, yet. IMO not fair, but that is the law. JerryBaumchen This is what I was referring to. Illegal in some areas. I don't know why. But there have been cases of police making life miserable for people who videotaped police brutality and sent it to the local TV news station."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyingRhenquest 1 #34 March 10, 2013 Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. Whether you want to tie up years of your life to prove a point is another question, but usually these have a civil rights violation lawsuit tagged on to them, which could potentially yield a judgment of millions of dollars. Diclaimer: Does not constitute legal advice I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #35 March 10, 2013 Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #36 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rifleman 70 #37 March 11, 2013 Best revenge I've ever seen on speed camera cops was a friend of mine. Girlfriend 9 months + pregnant wakes him at 3am - baby's coming - ambulance is going to be 90 minutes, midwife the same and decides to drive her to the hospital 40 miles away. Gets caught doing just over the limit by a static roadside cam. Arrive at hospital and contractions slow to nothing - hospital staff say to BF go home and get some stuff, it'll be hours yet. He just gets in through the door, the hospital are on the phone - get back here now. Off he goes and gets caught by the same camera. When the fixed penalty notices arrive he appeals both and explains the mitigating circumstances - no go - has to pay the fines so in revenge he goes to the car parts shop he works at and makes up a pair of licence plates with the same number on them as the police mobile speed camera van and then spends the next 3 months speeding past every fixed speed camera in the area. AFAIK, the chief constable in his local police force had something like 300 speeding tickets for the police speed trap van before they twigged something was wrong.Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #38 March 11, 2013 Fucking AWESOME!!! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #39 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) Personally, as a matter of policy, I think that, in those states, exceptions should be expressly carved-out to allow recording of police; but I'd predict that most judges would rule that that should be done by the legislature, and not the courts. What I really think is evil are those states that have a specific law prohibiting the recording of police. That's just pure fascism, people; recognize it for what it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #40 March 11, 2013 Quote*** Now I'll also tell you that a radar detector is a complete waste of money if the officer knows how to run their equipment. Visual speed estimation first (which some departments test their officers on to become certified to run radar/lidar) and then verify with electronic means. My favorite is a certain model LIDAR made by Kustom Signals, fast and accurate, if your radar detector even goes off, I've already locked your speed and distance measurements. I have a V1, and it has saved me more than enough times to pay for itself. As far as laser goes... yeah, most of the time your detecter will just tell you that you got a ticket (unless the cop left his radar on also...which happens a lot...). There is a small hill by my house where bike cops love to sit at the bottom and write tickets for people who are at 5mph after going down the hill. I have never seen them there and not had my laser go off (meaning, I don't have evidence of them shooting and not setting the detector off). Usually it is when shoot me, but every once in a while I'll get some "splatter" and pick it up when they are shooting other cars (and then get the full blast when they shoot me). I don't drive all that fast, but I like the v1 and the extra info it gives me. It lets me know more about what is going on around me...where cops are (for the sake of speeding and just general info). I have only had one ticket since getting my v1 4 years ago, and that was a laser hit from a sneaky cop (and yes, the V1 went off to let me know I got the ticket :) ). Even a good detector will not make you bullet proof, but it at least gives you more info and a much better chance. Even with always on radar, you can end up in a spot where you have very little notice with the detector....and instant on and Laser make things even more tricky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #41 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) So could I put a sign on my window that says you may be recorded while in the vicinity of this vehicle and be legal (unless he tells me to not record it, which would somehow still feel wrong)?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #42 March 11, 2013 Quote... his officers on their shift need to raise money to fund the chiefs cool toys.. not actually go after the meth assholes or the burglars or home invader types who buy their wares. I agree. My local PD is focused on 1- revenue and 2- reacting to crime. We had a cop at a public event a few years ago, and he asked me what the PD could improve on. I told him it frustrated me that I see them running radar up and down the main street behind my house every day, but I've never seen police in driving through my neighborhoods/alleys looking for/preventing crime. He told he he agreed, but due to the way they run his days are either- traffic patrol ($$$$) and responding to "calls". With those priorities they don't have time to be proactive about protecting/stopping crime. They write tickets and wait for people to call 911. I know not all cities are like that...but drives me crazy that mine is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 March 11, 2013 Quote So could I put a sign on my window that says you may be recorded while in the vicinity of this vehicle and be legal (unless he tells me to not record it, which would somehow still feel wrong)? I wouldn't count on it - unless you escrow the cash for my retainer to defend you after you're charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #44 March 11, 2013 Quote The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) Personally, as a matter of policy, I think that, in those states, exceptions should be expressly carved-out to allow recording of police; but I'd predict that most judges would rule that that should be done by the legislature, and not the courts. What I really think is evil are those states that have a specific law prohibiting the recording of police. That's just pure fascism, people; recognize it for what it is. I live in a one-party consent state but I agree with you on general principles."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #28 March 10, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Should I add that the very worst offenders around here...... the local cops ...city and county...do at least 50 or 60 on the 35 MPH county road I live on... but hey... its not as if one of the other blue line will say shit about that no matter if they are in their cruiser... or personal vehicle. You also assume that I tolerate such nonsense in their POV or in a marked unit. I do not and nor do many others. I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #29 March 10, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Should I add that the very worst offenders around here...... the local cops ...city and county...do at least 50 or 60 on the 35 MPH county road I live on... but hey... its not as if one of the other blue line will say shit about that no matter if they are in their cruiser... or personal vehicle. You also assume that I tolerate such nonsense in their POV or in a marked unit. I do not and nor do many others. I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 March 10, 2013 Quote I suppose "speed trap in the middle of nowhere" has been talked to death now, so I won't add to it. But you know, some times it's the little things that matter. I can't remember the last time I saw a marked police cruiser use a turn signal before turning. It just bugs me: Don't the turn signal laws apply to police as much as the rest of us? It leaves a bad impression. With all due respect. ...and on the cell phone. One of the local news stations followed LEOs that had just ended a shift...still in uniform but in their personal cars - speeding, texting, using the carpool lanes. Created quite a stink! You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. The rules apply. Just like the citizens around me, I try to abide by them and I don't tolerate those around me who think otherwise. As for the video/audio recording? Record all you want, although we might need your copy for evidence, but I'm already recording everything I do with video/audio (yes, I have a full digital video system on my motorcycle) and another angle might be nice to have. Maybe it has to be with being a skydiving, but there's no such thing as too many camera angles.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #31 March 10, 2013 Quote You know, I think it's horseshit that we're not allowed to run our video cameras during a police stop, or video police doing a take-down of suspects. How are we going to protect ourselves from the bad cops? I personally haven't met one yet but you never know. I know better than to argue with one or mouth off at one. Court case after court case has found that you can. The Obama administration recently filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting peoples' right to film police officers in public places.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,459 #32 March 10, 2013 Hi Dave, QuoteAs for the . . . audio recording? Record all you want I would not recommend that in Oregon. To make an audio recording of a LEO while on duty is a felony in this state. Video recording is too new for them to make it illegal, yet. IMO not fair, but that is the law. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #33 March 10, 2013 QuoteHi Dave, QuoteAs for the . . . audio recording? Record all you want I would not recommend that in Oregon. To make an audio recording of a LEO while on duty is a felony in this state. Video recording is too new for them to make it illegal, yet. IMO not fair, but that is the law. JerryBaumchen This is what I was referring to. Illegal in some areas. I don't know why. But there have been cases of police making life miserable for people who videotaped police brutality and sent it to the local TV news station."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #34 March 10, 2013 Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. Whether you want to tie up years of your life to prove a point is another question, but usually these have a civil rights violation lawsuit tagged on to them, which could potentially yield a judgment of millions of dollars. Diclaimer: Does not constitute legal advice I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #35 March 10, 2013 Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #36 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 70 #37 March 11, 2013 Best revenge I've ever seen on speed camera cops was a friend of mine. Girlfriend 9 months + pregnant wakes him at 3am - baby's coming - ambulance is going to be 90 minutes, midwife the same and decides to drive her to the hospital 40 miles away. Gets caught doing just over the limit by a static roadside cam. Arrive at hospital and contractions slow to nothing - hospital staff say to BF go home and get some stuff, it'll be hours yet. He just gets in through the door, the hospital are on the phone - get back here now. Off he goes and gets caught by the same camera. When the fixed penalty notices arrive he appeals both and explains the mitigating circumstances - no go - has to pay the fines so in revenge he goes to the car parts shop he works at and makes up a pair of licence plates with the same number on them as the police mobile speed camera van and then spends the next 3 months speeding past every fixed speed camera in the area. AFAIK, the chief constable in his local police force had something like 300 speeding tickets for the police speed trap van before they twigged something was wrong.Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #38 March 11, 2013 Fucking AWESOME!!! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) Personally, as a matter of policy, I think that, in those states, exceptions should be expressly carved-out to allow recording of police; but I'd predict that most judges would rule that that should be done by the legislature, and not the courts. What I really think is evil are those states that have a specific law prohibiting the recording of police. That's just pure fascism, people; recognize it for what it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #40 March 11, 2013 Quote*** Now I'll also tell you that a radar detector is a complete waste of money if the officer knows how to run their equipment. Visual speed estimation first (which some departments test their officers on to become certified to run radar/lidar) and then verify with electronic means. My favorite is a certain model LIDAR made by Kustom Signals, fast and accurate, if your radar detector even goes off, I've already locked your speed and distance measurements. I have a V1, and it has saved me more than enough times to pay for itself. As far as laser goes... yeah, most of the time your detecter will just tell you that you got a ticket (unless the cop left his radar on also...which happens a lot...). There is a small hill by my house where bike cops love to sit at the bottom and write tickets for people who are at 5mph after going down the hill. I have never seen them there and not had my laser go off (meaning, I don't have evidence of them shooting and not setting the detector off). Usually it is when shoot me, but every once in a while I'll get some "splatter" and pick it up when they are shooting other cars (and then get the full blast when they shoot me). I don't drive all that fast, but I like the v1 and the extra info it gives me. It lets me know more about what is going on around me...where cops are (for the sake of speeding and just general info). I have only had one ticket since getting my v1 4 years ago, and that was a laser hit from a sneaky cop (and yes, the V1 went off to let me know I got the ticket :) ). Even a good detector will not make you bullet proof, but it at least gives you more info and a much better chance. Even with always on radar, you can end up in a spot where you have very little notice with the detector....and instant on and Laser make things even more tricky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #41 March 11, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Yes, and as far as I know, every time it's gone to court in a state where it's illegal, the court has found that it's legal to video police operating in a public area. But they can pull the ol "Reasonable expectation of privacy" while you're in your car, which is defined as private. Of course, that won't stop them from arresting your ass for the 10lbs of Colombian bam bam in the back seat because they could see it thru your window. The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) So could I put a sign on my window that says you may be recorded while in the vicinity of this vehicle and be legal (unless he tells me to not record it, which would somehow still feel wrong)?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #42 March 11, 2013 Quote... his officers on their shift need to raise money to fund the chiefs cool toys.. not actually go after the meth assholes or the burglars or home invader types who buy their wares. I agree. My local PD is focused on 1- revenue and 2- reacting to crime. We had a cop at a public event a few years ago, and he asked me what the PD could improve on. I told him it frustrated me that I see them running radar up and down the main street behind my house every day, but I've never seen police in driving through my neighborhoods/alleys looking for/preventing crime. He told he he agreed, but due to the way they run his days are either- traffic patrol ($$$$) and responding to "calls". With those priorities they don't have time to be proactive about protecting/stopping crime. They write tickets and wait for people to call 911. I know not all cities are like that...but drives me crazy that mine is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 March 11, 2013 Quote So could I put a sign on my window that says you may be recorded while in the vicinity of this vehicle and be legal (unless he tells me to not record it, which would somehow still feel wrong)? I wouldn't count on it - unless you escrow the cash for my retainer to defend you after you're charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #44 March 11, 2013 Quote The police do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in YOUR car. Again, not sure it is worth it to fight such nonesense, but it is nonesense. It's a double-edged sword. Many states have laws that prohibit electronically recording another person speaking without that person's advance permission. (That's why so many recorded phone intros always say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance", because if you don't hang up, you impliedly grant permission.) So in some states the "police example" can be claimed to be simply a matter of enforcing existing law. (It's basically the down-side to an otherwise beneficial law: what protects you and me from being bugged and wiretapped also has the secondary result of shielding police in the field from having their conduct recorded and preserved for review in the light of day.) Personally, as a matter of policy, I think that, in those states, exceptions should be expressly carved-out to allow recording of police; but I'd predict that most judges would rule that that should be done by the legislature, and not the courts. What I really think is evil are those states that have a specific law prohibiting the recording of police. That's just pure fascism, people; recognize it for what it is. I live in a one-party consent state but I agree with you on general principles."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fpritchett64 0 #45 March 11, 2013 QuoteQuote... his officers on their shift need to raise money to fund the chiefs cool toys.. not actually go after the meth assholes or the burglars or home invader types who buy their wares. I agree. My local PD is focused on 1- revenue and 2- reacting to crime. We had a cop at a public event a few years ago, and he asked me what the PD could improve on. I told him it frustrated me that I see them running radar up and down the main street behind my house every day, but I've never seen police in driving through my neighborhoods/alleys looking for/preventing crime. He told he he agreed, but due to the way they run his days are either- traffic patrol ($$$$) and responding to "calls". With those priorities they don't have time to be proactive about protecting/stopping crime. They write tickets and wait for people to call 911. I know not all cities are like that...but drives me crazy that mine is. You have to understand a little about crime prevention activities in law enforcement to understand how to prevent crime to understand what ways they may be preventing crime. I would imagine the crime you're speaking of in the neighborhoods would consist of car break-ins and the like. Most likely unsecured vehicles. At least that's one of the more common crimes where I work. Easy solution to that. Lock up your car because most criminals don't want the attention that smashing a window typically generates. This isn't always the case but it is more often than not. As for police preventing crimes, one of the biggest ways that crime is prevented is through police presence. If the officer is spending his day in little neighborhoods, there's a good chance he will never be seen by the criminal 2 neighborhoods over. Every now and then he may get lucky and catch the bad guy in the commission. Most likely though, he is caught on his way to the crime or after leaving from the crime scene. However, if the officer is spending the majority of his time on the main streets and highways then there is a much more likely chance that criminal is going to see him. If the officer is an active one, the criminal will probably even see that officer with his lights on and behind a car. Criminal drives a little further down the road and sees another car pulled over. Next thing ya know, that criminal is going to decide to take his mischief somewhere else. A vehicle is used one way or another in nearly all crimes committed. So, if that officer is spending his downtime catching "speeders" or stopping cars for other traffic offenses then he has a much better chance of catching that criminal than he does riding around in neighborhoods shaking hands and kissing babies. In the town that I work, we have obviously, two different rotations. One rotation is very active and spends most of their time on main streets and highways whereas the other rotation spends the majority of their time in neighborhoods. It's very rare to hear of any crimes, such as b&e's being committed while the active rotation is working. However, the other rotation sees it quite often. I work traffic for my department, so my primary focus is working wrecks, stopping cars, and catching the impaired drivers. In doing this, I have caught suspects that were committing crimes in other towns with stolen property, caught people with felony warrants from other states, etc. these are all people that would never have been noticed by the officer riding around in back neighborhoods. Ya' see, there is a lot more to a traffic stop than just an officer "generating revenue" and usually when I explain this to the unhappy citizens that complain about being "harassed" for speeding a little the conversation ends with a thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 March 11, 2013 I guess I was just mistaken about the officer who sits about 100 yards down the road for the completely obscured 25 MPH sign hidden by the cedar tree coming into town where the county road was 35 MPH and the 35 MPH sign was less than 1/4 mile back up the road... Did I mention he spends most of his shift sitting there... Oh did I also mention the judge who did not even want to look at the pictures of the obscured sign and the smirking officer??? FUCKING LOW LIFES... both of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fpritchett64 0 #47 March 11, 2013 And how fast did he say you were traveling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #48 March 11, 2013 QuoteAnd how fast did he say you were traveling? 35 in a 25 zone..... did I mention they changed the 25 MPH sign to 500 yards father out of town... it used to be 35 till you hit the traffic circle on the other side of the freeway where the city limits are posted Welcome to our FUCKING SPEED TRAP TOWN with low life pricks for leo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 March 11, 2013 Quote You have to understand a little about crime prevention.... to understand how to prevent crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fpritchett64 0 #50 March 11, 2013 Fixed it. Sound any better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
