Work related ethical question.

[floridadiver81 0]

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So before I go into details I'll start with the fact that I've been in the military for 90% of my adult life...and I carry the military values over to my civilian life also.

So at my civilian job I find myself always staying busy doing things. I work in the distribution side of a company called Vistakon. They manufacture and distribute Acuvue contact lenses. So...the problem is....there is another person from the opposite shift here tonight(I work night shift). They are on overtime right now....but they aren't doing anything, and if they keep up with their usual behavior, won't do anything all night. Said person is up my boss's ass. Do I say something to my boss or go above his head since, most likely, nothing will be done if I go to my first boss? It burns me up knowing that I am working on straight time and this other person is sitting on their arse on overtime and not doing anything...at all!

/rant

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[Squeak 17]

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rant/

So before I go into details I'll start with the fact that I've been in the military for 90% of my adult life...and I carry the military values over to my civilian life also.

So at my civilian job I find myself always staying busy doing things. I work in the distribution side of a company called Vistakon. They manufacture and distribute Acuvue contact lenses. So...the problem is....there is another person from the opposite shift here tonight(I work night shift). They are on overtime right now....but they aren't doing anything, and if they keep up with their usual behavior, won't do anything all night. Said person is up my boss's ass. Do I say something to my boss or go above his head since, most likely, nothing will be done if I go to my first boss? It burns me up knowing that I am working on straight time and this other person is sitting on their arse on overtime and not doing anything...at all!

/rant

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[floridadiver81 0]

I work 12 hours shifts....uploading a 12 hour video from my phone would be forever...on top of the fact that if i were videoing...then I wouldn't be doing anything either!

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[strife 0]

get used it

I dont think its unique to the civilian workplace either.

I struggle with the lack of intensity with some people at the place that pays for my jump tickets.

[skydiverbry 0]

Is there a way that you can "write" the person up on an official note to the boss that the said person is not up his ass?
In my field of work it's not official unless it is on a printed page.


Bry

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[floridadiver81 0]

I can always email the next higher boss...but then comes the conflict of working with this person in the future because I'm almost positive that it won't remain anonymous....unfortunately...

"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie
"Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye

[skydiverbry 0]

Unfortunately no matter how you go about it I don't think it will remain anonymous no matter which route you take.


There is already a conflict because of this person slackness so emailing or writing up the person will not more then likely not cause anymore conflicts then that already are there.


I say bring this to the attention to someone higher up sooner then later.




Bry

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[ryoder 1,590]

There was a time when I used to care. But years of seeing clueless corporate (mis)management waste tens of millions of dollars repeating the same mistakes over and over, I could care less about slacking co-workers. As long as the slackers stay out of my way, it is management's problem, not mine.

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[AggieDave 6]

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There was a time when I used to care. But years of seeing clueless corporate (mis)management waste tens of millions of dollars repeating the same mistakes over and over, I could care less about slacking co-workers. As long as the slackers stay out of my way, it is management's problem, not mine.

Mediocrity is rewarded and promoted. Hard workers are slapped down until they quit or are put in place.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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There was a time when I used to care. But years of seeing clueless corporate (mis)management waste tens of millions of dollars repeating the same mistakes over and over, I could care less about slacking co-workers. As long as the slackers stay out of my way, it is management's problem, not mine.

Mediocrity is rewarded and promoted. Hard workers are slapped down until they quit or are put in place.

That was certainly the case with the job I quit in December.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[monkycndo 0]

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There was a time when I used to care. But years of seeing clueless corporate (mis)management waste tens of millions of dollars repeating the same mistakes over and over, I could care less about slacking co-workers. As long as the slackers stay out of my way, it is management's problem, not mine.

Mediocrity is rewarded and promoted. Hard workers are slapped down until they quit or are put in place.

Praise unworthy and punish the innocent.

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[quade 4]

Don't do anything except document the event. Do NOT call the person out, do NOT notify the guy who is protecting him. Document what he's doing or not doing. Keep impeccable records of what he's doing versus what you're doing. Two files; one his, one yours. This includes video of him sleeping on the job or surfing for porn.

If after a month or so it still bugs you, again, do NOT notify his boss or even his boss' boss. Notify HR and turn over the file on him. Keep the file on yourself secret; you'll want that in case somebody decides to retaliate or blame the late shift slacking on you.

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[airtwardo 7]

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Don't do anything except document the event. Do NOT call the person out, do NOT notify the guy who is protecting him. Document what he's doing or not doing. Keep impeccable records of what he's doing versus what you're doing. Two files; one his, one yours. This includes video of him sleeping on the job or surfing for porn.

If after a month or so it still bugs you, again, do NOT notify his boss or even his boss' boss. Notify HR and turn over the file on him. Keep the file on yourself secret; you'll want that in case somebody decides to retaliate or blame the late shift slacking on you.

Bingo!



Always document everything...times, dates, what's happening & who else is in the area and saw/sees the behavior. Make two copies of everything.


That being said, I 'motivated' a couple people I worked with by 'anonymously' leaving a clipboard with several days worth of said type documentation so they could find it as though it were accidentally left out by persons unknown...

One guy I did that to got so paranoid he went to the boss...who got so paranoid HE too actually started do his job!

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[JohnMitchell 16]

Nothing burns me worse than slackers getting paid the same as me. But after 29 years in the FAA I learned to ignore it.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Nothing burns me worse than slackers getting paid the same as me. But after 29 years in the FAA I learned to ignore it.

Well, what burns me worse is a (hopefully) one-of-a-kind jackass co-worker at my last job who:

a) Treated his peers like subordinates, and ordered them to do his work.
b) Refused to share project details with co-workers.
c) Totally fabricated lies about his co-workers to our manager!
d) Threw full-blown temper tantrums in meetings like a spoiled 5yo child.

And the icing on the cake? Our clueless manager always took the side of the jackass, and never wanted to hear what really happened.

I'll take a slacker over an asshole like that, any day of the week.

On the bright side, I just learned from a guy who still works there that the clueless manager got demoted from his manager role.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[floridadiver81 0]

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Is there a way that you can "write" the person up on an official note to the boss that the said person is not up his ass?
In my field of work it's not official unless it is on a printed page.


Bry

Well I'm relatively new here(just over three months) so I'm not sure how much my word will hold up.

"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie
"Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye

[floridadiver81 0]

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There was a time when I used to care. But years of seeing clueless corporate (mis)management waste tens of millions of dollars repeating the same mistakes over and over, I could care less about slacking co-workers. As long as the slackers stay out of my way, it is management's problem, not mine.

You are so right in saying this the way you did! I have noticed a few other people that once management leaves....they just lounge around and play on the computer until it's time for them to leave. I noticed one person watching a movie on netflix a few days ago. Before you say anything....no the IT department doesn't block anything unless it's directly illegal or of an adult nature.

"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie
"Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye

[milehigheric 0]

IMO, if your the new guy and you start narking out on other people your going to have a bad time. It doesn't matter a whole lot who is morally right or wrong at the end of the day, but getting on bad terms with co-workers (especially bosses toilet roll holders) is never a good start.

I have had several people on higher salary who do sweet fuck all while im busting my ass. It's annoying, but I think the best way is to just stick to your morals and try not to let it get to you. Your there to do a job, your getting paid to do your job so what does it really matter if Joe is sitting on his ass watching netflix? Thats a management problem, not yours. I find in most cases if you bring up his laziness every now and then in a joking manor, eventually he will feel obliged to do some work while your around.

Saying that, the last time I was in this position the said individual took a swing at me at our Christmas party. I threw a few back and after it was broken up he quit his job and left. I'm not advocating violence, but this time it worked...and I got his pay packet in the end

[hcsvader 1]

So tell them to do something or ask them to give you a hand with something.

I work construction and there are always people hanging aroumddping nothin. I only worry about me an my job.

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[floridadiver81 0]

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IMO, if your the new guy and you start narking out on other people your going to have a bad time. It doesn't matter a whole lot who is morally right or wrong at the end of the day, but getting on bad terms with co-workers (especially bosses toilet roll holders) is never a good start.

I have had several people on higher salary who do sweet fuck all while im busting my ass. It's annoying, but I think the best way is to just stick to your morals and try not to let it get to you. Your there to do a job, your getting paid to do your job so what does it really matter if Joe is sitting on his ass watching netflix? Thats a management problem, not yours. I find in most cases if you bring up his laziness every now and then in a joking manor, eventually he will feel obliged to do some work while your around.

Saying that, the last time I was in this position the said individual took a swing at me at our Christmas party. I threw a few back and after it was broken up he quit his job and left. I'm not advocating violence, but this time it worked...and I got his pay packet in the end

Yes I see your logic. At least I know my conscious is clear when I go home in the morning. I would never resort to physical violence. Although I have a martial arts background....its never acceptable at a place of employment. Besides that...I would walk away first!

As most have said...it is just highly frustrating working while other sit around and nothing will be done about it. Oh well....I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and maybe one day I'll get the promotion before those that have been here longer that just clockwhore!

"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie
"Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye

[floridadiver81 0]

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So tell them to do something or ask them to give you a hand with something.

I work construction and there are always people hanging aroumddping nothin. I only worry about me an my job.

Unfortunately the kind of work I do is pretty much a one person type of thing. If anyone needs help with something then that means something bad happened lol.

"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie
"Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye

[hcsvader 1]

So do your job, get your pay and keep your head down.
Very rarely are people noticed for their good work, but get caught slacking off at work and the higher ups will remember you.

It may be different in your industry but in mine your best of to be unknown.

And having worked in management positions, trust me i know who is not pulling their own weight.

Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
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[Nataly 38]

Whataver the circumstance, I have always found the most dignified and the best long-term solution is to focus on *your* job and make sure *you* get recognised for your work.

It may be infuriating to see slack behaviour rewarded, but trust me when I say that in hard times, the slackers are the first to go... I've seen lots of organisations down-size in a tough economy - when companies are choosing the team that will save them from going bust, their only criteria is competence and NOT who is the best ass licker...

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Your first action should be to remove the names of the company/division you noted in your original post. Companies regularly (or pay third-party companies) to monitor their web “footprint”. This would take all of 5mins to narrow this web post to you.

Two, you’ll find good or bad people in both civilian or military roles – note the concurrently running thread on here re the US military covering up serial rapists.

Spend your time/effort in making yourself better, not acting as the “school monitor” of others around you. If you have a problem with a person, deal with that person; don’t run off to “tell” on them; this merely brings you down.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Your first action should be to remove the names of the company/division you noted in your original post. Companies regularly (or pay third-party companies) to monitor their web “footprint”. This would take all of 5mins to narrow this web post to you.

This was my first thought upon reading it, too. But it seems that he's now past the 6-hour window programmed into this website. Thus I would urge the OP to contact a moderator and request that his OP be edited.

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To the OP: Lots of good advice here, most of which is don't put your own self in harm's way because this guy and his supervisor are twats while you're doing an honest day's work. If you feel you must do something, the best thing (for you) would be to try to set him (and his supervisor) up so that what's going on gets noticed by someone higher up without it being traceable to you.

If that doesn't work, then just keep this in mind: you're there to earn a wage for yourself, not to be the self-appointed cop in the company. We can't all be Inspector Javert.