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747 crash at Bagram

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I couldn't open that link, but here's the video from youtube... (never mind, I got it on the 2nd attempt)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3GGaHYcrlQ

747 in full stall on take-off. Daaaamn.... I wonder if they were trying to climb steeply to stay out of range of AA fire from the Taliban?

ETA: They're talking about a possible load shift throwing the AC's CG too far aft...

I've heard of aircraft doing the same thing at Baghdad during the Iraq occupation.
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That would be my uneducated guess. I think it had some heavy cargo like vehicles. I wonder if something broke free and rolled all the way aft in the cargo bay. :(

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I keep trying to tell you people to secure your helmets on take off for a reason.



Secure the fatty tandem students!


One of those BBWs breaks free and rolls to the back...shame on you.

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That would be my uneducated guess. I think it had some heavy cargo like vehicles. I wonder if something broke free and rolled all the way aft in the cargo bay. :(

In his autobiography "Fate is the Hunter", pilot Earnest K. Gann wrote about flying a DC-3 in which a heavy cargo of steel piping slid aft on take off. As he struggled with the stalling airplane, one of the crewmembers went back and starting hucking the pipes forward, one at a time. They avoided a fiery crash by the narrowest of margins.

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Secure the fatty tandem students!

One of those BBWs breaks free and rolls to the back...shame on you.

:D



[shudder]:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPZcCvtB9Wg


Exactly!

I was always lucky, being a "big boned" guy myself, I was always limited by the tandem gear limit...except for this one time I took a guy that was about 250lbs in the middle of summer on a no wind day. Manifest forgot to weigh him.

After the drogue screamed in pain, we swooped the whole damned landing area then slid on my butt for 100yds!
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Secure the fatty tandem students!

One of those BBWs breaks free and rolls to the back...shame on you.

:D



[shudder]:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPZcCvtB9Wg


Exactly!

I was always lucky, being a "big boned" guy myself, I was always limited by the tandem gear limit...except for this one time I took a guy that was about 250lbs in the middle of summer on a no wind day. Manifest forgot to weigh him.

After the drogue screamed in pain, we swooped the whole damned landing area then slid on my butt for 100yds!


Guess the camera guy was working pretty hard!
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That would be my uneducated guess. I think it had some heavy cargo like vehicles. I wonder if something broke free and rolled all the way aft in the cargo bay. :(

In his autobiography "Fate is the Hunter", pilot Earnest K. Gann wrote about flying a DC-3 in which a heavy cargo of steel piping slid aft on take off. As he struggled with the stalling airplane, one of the crewmembers went back and starting hucking the pipes forward, one at a time. They avoided a fiery crash by the narrowest of margins.


It's a good book, but I think that story and the one where they use flaps at the last possible second to avoid collision with the Taj Mahal might be a bit exaggerated.

I used to fly freight for a tiny company in eastern South Dakota. We would frequently get flights from Denver to either Brownsville, TX or Florence, SC to take haul pallets of airbag igniters to Saturn assembly plants. I was racing another Metro loading to see who could get out of Centennial first. Metros have the wheeled roller tracks that run the length of the fuselage, so you can forklift pallets in, scoot them up to the from, and tie them in place with ratchet straps. I carefully tied mine down and the other gentleman hurried and was taxiing before I was. I watched him depart at max gross weight, the nose came flying up, they closed the runway as he declared emergency, and then watched him land so hard that he bent both landing gear and split the trailing edge of the wings, leaking roughly 600 gallons onto the fancy FBO ramp. He had failed to secure the pallets trying to beat me to the runway, and they all rolled back on takeoff. When I talked to him later he said it took full power, full down elevator and full down trim and riding the stick pusher all the way around to land.

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One of the pilots was a cousin of a jumper I hang with. And he's trying to track down a friend who got his cuz the job. Concerned that he possibly was the other pilot.



From the original video link - comments:

The cargo flight N8-102 crew were heard on VHF air-band frequency reporting that some of the load of five heavy military vehicles weighing more than 70 tons in the cargo hold had shifted and the National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 stalled. National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 crashed and erupted into flames on impact. The crash site was near the end of the 11,849 ft long runway 03 within the perimeter of the Bagram airfield. All seven crew – Jamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MI, Brad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MI, Jeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MI, Rinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MI, Michael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MI, Gary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MI, Timothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KY were killed on impact.
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One of the pilots was a cousin of a jumper I hang with. And he's trying to track down a friend who got his cuz the job. Concerned that he possibly was the other pilot.



From the original video link - comments:

The cargo flight N8-102 crew were heard on VHF air-band frequency reporting that some of the load of five heavy military vehicles weighing more than 70 tons in the cargo hold had shifted and the National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 stalled. National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 crashed and erupted into flames on impact. The crash site was near the end of the 11,849 ft long runway 03 within the perimeter of the Bagram airfield. All seven crew – Jamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MI, Brad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MI, Jeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MI, Rinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MI, Michael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MI, Gary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MI, Timothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KY were killed on impact.



If that is correct, the friend is listed as well. :(

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