The English conundrum

[Zep 0]

So it seems that a murderer of the worst catorgorie has the right to a release date
but it's perfectly ok to murder an alleged criminal whilst he's being deported on a plane.

Thank you Maggie for showing me to get away from that fucked up country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23230419

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23244203 4GS enough said.

Gone fishing

[lawrocket 3]

You sound so unenlightened. The Convention made it known that when a misunderstood person who accidentally kills a few people because of society's bad influence is put into rehhab, that individual should be given a second or third chance to kill some more to live his or her life as if it never happened.

By the way - why "25 years?" Isn't that just an arbitrary number?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Skyrad 0]

I'm sick of the pathetic sentencing in the UK. We should do like they do in the USA in this regard, throw them in the can and throw away the key. If they want a release date then give them on in 90 years time.

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[Nataly 38]

Skyrad

I'm sick of the pathetic sentencing in the UK. We should do like they do in the USA in this regard, throw them in the can and throw away the key. If they want a release date then give them on in 90 years time.

I have watched nearly every episode of "Faites entrer l'accuse," which is a series that ran for 10 years in France about some of their worst criminals, how (if) they were brought to justice, et cetera. One thing that I saw again and again and again is the willingness to consider that the person may be rehabilitated and released, only for the person to become a repeat offender. A lot of the crimes are pretty extreme, and it never fails to amaze me how a serial killer could be let loose EVER... I don't even care if he (and it usually is a he) behaves perfectly well in a prison... None of the people he killed ever get a second chance - why should he?

I know, I know... It is very expensive to keep a person in our overcrowded prisons... Still... Does the cost of detaining a prisoner outweigh the value of an innocent person's death??? I'm certain it's not so black and white... And I'm sure some people *deserve* a second trial (because they must get it wrong sometimes)... But I still can't wrap my mind around being released after 7 years or 15 years or 25 years when you have KILLED someone.

"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse."
- Chris Hadfield
« Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. »
- my boss

[davjohns 1]

I think it is possible that any criminal could be rehabilitated. I very much doubt we have the expertise to make it so. I am determined that certain crimes make it not worth the effort / risk. Therefore, certain crimes suggest we are better off locking them up until they can pose no further threat...or save money and dispose of them like cancer cells. A hard decision, but they cast their vote when they commit their crimes.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Nataly 38]

davjohns

I think it is possible that any criminal could be rehabilitated. I very much doubt we have the expertise to make it so. I am determined that certain crimes make it not worth the effort / risk. Therefore, certain crimes suggest we are better off locking them up until they can pose no further threat...or save money and dispose of them like cancer cells. A hard decision, but they cast their vote when they commit their crimes.

I am certain some people *can* be rehabilitated but do they *deserve* to be set free?? Your response to this question depends on whether you think a sentence is meant to be punitive or simply to protect society...

I personally don't feel I'm well-placed to pass judgement on this but I can't help but think of the victims and their families... THEY will never get a second chance... Death tends to be pretty final...

"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse."
- Chris Hadfield
« Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. »
- my boss

[mr2mk1g 10]

Zep

So it seems that a murderer of the worst catorgorie has the right to a release date

but it's perfectly ok to murder an alleged criminal whilst he's being deported on a plane.

They don't get a release date, they get a review to see if they should still be in jail. Fine, let me review your case... oh, you're still a nut job; stay in jail.

And the bunch of incompetents that make up G4S... they didn't "murder" anyone, they accidentally killed someone while trying to restrain him. And he was a convicted criminal by the way having just been released from a 2-year jail sentence, not just "alleged", not that it makes it any better but it doesn't exactly make it look like you read the article. And it's hardly "perfectly ok" given the unlawful killing verdict and the CPS looking at bringing charges.

[Skyrad 0]

Well kiddie fiddlers are beyond redemption and I sincerely believe they should be put down like any other sick animal that is terminally diseased. Also people who murder children and who are beyond any doubt of guilt such as Huntley or little Avril Jone's killer.
As for prisons in the UK I think we should reinstate the practice of prison hulks which could be stationed around the coast.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca