phoenixlpr 0 #51 November 24, 2005 Easier? I do remeber she was a bitch to bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #52 November 25, 2005 I've packed a brand new Sabre 2 and a brand new pilot and the pilot was definitely easier to bag. Do note that that I said "easier" not "easy"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky-pimp 0 #53 November 28, 2005 i demoed the sabre 2 in the states and ordered one .while waiting for it to arrive , back in england i jumped a demo pilot 168 , that had very little jumps on it . i found it to be a wonderful canopy and began to wonder if i had ordered the wrong one , on getting my sabre 2 170 , i am glad to say thats what i went for , i do find the openings not as forgiving as the pilot but i love the extra bit of caricter it has . i just love my sabre2YeHaaaaaaaaaaa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkins121 0 #54 November 30, 2005 This may be a stupid question but.. What makes the pilot open so much smoother than a sabre2? Arent there several factors that go into that? Packing etc... If the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #55 November 30, 2005 QuoteThis may be a stupid question but.. What makes the pilot open so much smoother than a sabre2? Dunno... Quote If the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? It's just my opinion, but it lands better than any canopy I've flown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 November 30, 2005 QuoteThis may be a stupid question but.. What makes the pilot open so much smoother than a sabre2? Arent there several factors that go into that? Packing etc... If the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? Seems to be a tradeoff between performance once the canopy is open and how nicely it opens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 1 #57 November 30, 2005 QuoteI can add that the pilot also packs easier then a brand new sabre2. I just tried packing mine for the first time...@_$*&#*&*@@@@ Agree!! I hate my Pilot 210 for being a bitch when I bag her. But I'm so glad i didn't go for a S2, I'm told that new PD fabric is a LOT worse when they are new "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky-pimp 0 #58 November 30, 2005 QuoteIf the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? i would'nt call it violent , it just has more carrictor . and yes it is a bitch to pack when new (so my packer tells me )YeHaaaaaaaaaaa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #59 November 30, 2005 QuoteSeems to be a tradeoff between performance once the canopy is open and how nicely it opens. Making that conclusion is not justified from a comparison of 2 canopies, and many would probably not agree that the Sabre2 performs better than the Pilot. There are some key factors that contribute to the opening characteristics that have nothing at all to do with the performance when open, such as the brake setting, slider size/shape.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #60 December 5, 2005 QuoteThis may be a stupid question but.. What makes the pilot open so much smoother than a sabre2? I'm not sure about the Sabre2 configuration, but 2 characteristics of the Pilot that I noticed that would contribute to soft openings are: - HUGE slider (it really was massive on my 150) - Nose inlets are angled downwards at quite a steep angle QuoteIf the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? Some people I know will only jump PD canopies. That can be just a preference thing. Each manufacturer produces canopies with different characteristics. At the moment I have a Safire2 129; before that I put ~330 jumps on a Pilot 150. The Sabre2 will, at moderate/high wingloadings, will swoop quite well (from comments I've received from other canopy pilots that own them). It dives more in any turn that an equivalent Pilot and Safire2 at any W/L.-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #61 December 11, 2005 I just made my first jump on my new sabre2. The opening was softer then any of my 100 jumps on my pilot. I have never had such a soft opening..The slider took forever to come down I must be an excellent packer.... _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #62 December 12, 2005 QuoteIf the sabre2 has violent offheading openings why is it so popular? When packed according to PD's recommendation, the Sabre2 does not have violent offheading openings.. I was doing all sorts of things to my parachute before ( I had a Triathlon before switching to a Sabre2) and had weird openings all the time. Now, I pack 100% according to PD's instructions, which are basically a normal Pro-pack packjob, and I get nice, consistent, onheading openings.. And it's so popular, cause it dives more, dives longer and swoops further than the Pilot.. I've got 1100+ jumps on my Sabre2's and I am going to put probably another 1000 on them.. it is an amazing, all around great canopy.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #63 December 13, 2005 QuoteAnd it's so popular, cause it dives more, dives longer and swoops further than the Pilot.. Ahem.. are you throwing down the gauntlet there, dutchman? chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #64 December 13, 2005 Swoop off! Swoop off! Swoop off! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #65 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd it's so popular, cause it dives more, dives longer and swoops further than the Pilot.. Ahem.. are you throwing down the gauntlet there, dutchman? Yup.. come get some.. lets set up some gates this weekend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #66 December 14, 2005 It's on. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #67 December 15, 2005 You better win Roy. Iwan sucks as a canooy Pilot!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #68 December 15, 2005 QuoteYou better win Roy. Iwan sucks as a canooy Pilot! You just make sure that a Mamba 132 demo shows up in Byron sometime soon.. I'll talk appropriately about that canopy on here... The sooner it gets here, the sooner I'll lay off on the Sabre2 vs. Pilot comments.. How is FL treating you buddy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #69 December 15, 2005 QuoteYou better win Roy. Iwan sucks as a canooy Pilot! I'll just do what I do, Dom.. I'm sure it will be more than sufficient.. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #70 December 15, 2005 You will have to be a man and fly a 124. NO 132 demos yet, sorry. I should have my demos by the end of next week. Send an email request to s.kimball@aerodyne-int.com to get one set up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #71 December 15, 2005 How about a 150 demo for you Roy?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #72 December 15, 2005 Actually, I'd really like to demo the 140 and the 132. I am thinking of switching to Mambas for 2006.. but I need to demo first. I'll send in a request. Why would you think I'd want a 150? I'm not that old.. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #73 December 15, 2005 Not that old. Just kinda............round!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #74 December 15, 2005 Damn, dude, just cuz I like to visit the King, you gonna make me jump a 150? chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #75 December 16, 2005 QuoteYou will have to be a man and fly a 124. NO 132 demos yet, sorry. Hmm.. ok.. I'll grow up.. Next season then.... I am not done on the 135 yet.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
