Arvoitus 1 #26 December 5, 2013 grue ************No mention of a broken pelvis? Man.... Or of a broken fingernail. Riser turns are your friend ... more people should learn to use them.Looks like he gave up trying to do that. Doesn't look like he tried it at all, went right for the toggles. He actually grabbed them pretty badly and ended up partly releasing his WLO's. Which is weird because he hadn't routed his control lines through the guide rings which is weird since he was already using WLO's. After the initial impact, I guess the shock and the fact he lost his toggles made him confused enough that riser turns weren't an option anymore. Or it could be that he never did them enough that they'd be instinctive.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #27 December 5, 2013 I still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios?I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 December 5, 2013 davjohns I still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? Nope.. I learned to use mine on an old ParaFoil that had a tendency to blow thru steering lines about every 10 jumps or so back in the day. Alternate scenarios were the norm on that damn thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #29 December 5, 2013 davjohnsI still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? I'd consider it, off a bridge or something I could track away from for a few seconds so I don't have to worry about an off heading opening slamming me into a cliff face. Also probably not for several hundred more jumps. I'll go out of a balloon from 5 or 6 grand sooner, though. That looks like fun.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #30 December 5, 2013 oldwomanc6 ***I know I'm going to get scolded by the B.A.S.E community again..but holy fuckshit. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a98_1386197785 That's my nephew. Oh no!! How is his recovery coming along (I didn't check to see the date of the jump/injury)? Do you think he'll jump again after he heals?Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #31 December 5, 2013 He's coming along nicely, and is expected to make a complete recovery, thank God! He only spent a day or so in the hospital (amazing). I can't comment publicly, other than to agree on the craziness, and that it is an altogether too dangerous activity. Base in general has gotten too extreme for my taste.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #32 December 5, 2013 Quoteit is an altogether too dangerous activity Matter of perspective, of course. Whuffos would say you've done that 800 times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #33 December 5, 2013 oldwomanc6 He's coming along nicely, and is expected to make a complete recovery, thank God! He only spent a day or so in the hospital (amazing). I can't comment publicly, other than to agree on the craziness, and that it is an altogether too dangerous activity. Base in general has gotten too extreme for my taste. Thank God is right!! Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 15 #34 December 5, 2013 davjohnsI still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? No, I frequently fly and land my canopy using only risers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #35 December 5, 2013 theplummeter***I still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? No, I frequently fly and land my canopy using only risers. I was going to ask who/why would give you a hard time about using rears? Back when I was jumping I was told to practice that frequently and get comfortable with it as it may save my life one day. So I did and I am/was.Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #36 December 5, 2013 FlyingRhenquest***I still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? I'd consider it, off a bridge or something I could track away from for a few seconds so I don't have to worry about an off heading opening slamming me into a cliff face. Also probably not for several hundred more jumps. I'll go out of a balloon from 5 or 6 grand sooner, though. That looks like fun. There are no cliff faces to hit with a bridge. That’s why they call it a bridge. Depending on the height of the launch site you may not have a “few” seconds to track. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #37 December 5, 2013 Damn, a whole nice clean wall to impact and HE hits the rock jutting out of it. POW! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StoppieJoe 7 #38 December 5, 2013 mjosparky ******I still want to BASE. I once came in entirely on riser turns and flared on back risers only. I had the toggles in my hands, but refused to use them. I just wanted to know I could do everything without them if they ever got away from me. I didn't stand up the landing, but didn't really plan / try to. I was given a hard time about it afterwards. Am I the only one who practices alternate scenarios? I'd consider it, off a bridge or something I could track away from for a few seconds so I don't have to worry about an off heading opening slamming me into a cliff face. Also probably not for several hundred more jumps. I'll go out of a balloon from 5 or 6 grand sooner, though. That looks like fun. There are no cliff faces to hit with a bridge. That’s why they call it a bridge. Depending on the height of the launch site you may not have a “few” seconds to track. Sparky I think he meant: "I would consider jumping off of a bridge, or something I could track away from for a couple of seconds so I don't have to worry about an off heading opening slamming me into a cliff face." In which case, he would always have a few seconds to track because he made the conscious decision to only jump things high enough to track away from. Carpe Diem, Even if it kills me -- "Dead Poet's Society" "Are you getting into trouble over there?" --- "Nothing that I'm going to admit to!" ____________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #39 December 5, 2013 justme12001That was the first thing I thought as well.....a quick left rear riser turn would have most likely saved his ass Not necessarily if his brake setting wasn't done properly. Watch this : How to pack 180 If you compare the first ('strike') and the second(non-strike), you can clearly see a major difference in the forward surge the canopy has after pressurization.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kvnhlstd 0 #40 December 5, 2013 Not 100 percent sure but that looks like the road outside of Moab that leads to Arches area... If it is thats a pretty big rock... with petrograph's in areas of the face.Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xsniper 1 #41 December 5, 2013 No kidding...one of the scariest things I have ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boogers 0 #42 December 5, 2013 Changed the title, don't find the cusswords necessary. So, once he's sliding down the rock wall, he does nothing to try and get a good canopy over his head. Is it possible to pull rear risers or something and change the angle of attack to get the canopy to inflate more? Or would that just make things worse. What more could he have done to try and save his ass? I think I'd be trying anything and everything, rather than just to do nothing like that. Oh, and did the car parked down below get shrapnel damage from all the flying rocks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #43 December 5, 2013 Did we even watch the same video? He impacted with that rock projection hard enough to bust big chunks off of it. Do you have any idea what an impact like that does to the human mind and body? At that point it all goes out the window. If you have the clarity to fight, then you fight, but reality is after you hit something hard, or you bounce after a low turn there is a good chance you aren't going to be with it any more to keep fighting and trying things. Maybe you keep trying to get the canopy flying, maybe you fly your canopy after the bounce, or maybe you don't!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #44 December 5, 2013 BoogersChanged the title, don't find the cusswords necessary. So, once he's sliding down the rock wall, he does nothing to try and get a good canopy over his head. Is it possible to pull rear risers or something and change the angle of attack to get the canopy to inflate more? Or would that just make things worse. What more could he have done to try and save his ass? I think I'd be trying anything and everything, rather than just to do nothing like that. Oh, and did the car parked down below get shrapnel damage from all the flying rocks? ---------------------------------------------------- Oh the irony!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #45 December 5, 2013 Quote There are no cliff faces to hit with a bridge. That’s why they call it a bridge. Depending on the height of the launch site you may not have a “few” seconds to track. Sparky Yes. That's what I'm saying. I would want to do it off one of those things was an option. What, do most people just decide to go base jumping and then jump off the first tall thing they find? You could like, go look over the edge and think "Hmmm. Can't track from that. Maybe I'll see if I can find something taller..." If I can't get to terminal it's not really that interesting to me, anyway. I enjoy the flying part. Less than a couple thousand feet and I'm like "Meh. Not enough flying."I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #46 December 6, 2013 Arvoitus He actually grabbed them pretty badly and ended up partly releasing his WLO's. Which is weird because he hadn't routed his control lines through the guide rings which is weird since he was already using WLO's. After the initial impact, I guess the shock and the fact he lost his toggles made him confused enough that riser turns weren't an option anymore. Or it could be that he never did them enough that they'd be instinctive. WLO or not, on a slider down/off I always use LRM. It's quicker than using the WLOtoggles. If the second "part" of the video is normal speed and not speed up I think he should have had his deep brake setting deeper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boogers 0 #47 December 6, 2013 regulator***Changed the title, don't find the cusswords necessary. So, once he's sliding down the rock wall, he does nothing to try and get a good canopy over his head. Is it possible to pull rear risers or something and change the angle of attack to get the canopy to inflate more? Or would that just make things worse. What more could he have done to try and save his ass? I think I'd be trying anything and everything, rather than just to do nothing like that. Oh, and did the car parked down below get shrapnel damage from all the flying rocks? ---------------------------------------------------- Oh the irony!! "Save his ass" is pretty mild compared to "fuckshit". Why would anyone want to stick their dick in shit, anyway? The mental imagery is totally different between those two phrases. Saving your ass is a good thing. Fucking shit is disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 December 6, 2013 BoogersFucking shit is disgusting. So are boogers.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #49 December 6, 2013 ArvoitusHe actually grabbed them pretty badly and ended up partly releasing his WLO's. That definitely appears to have been a link in the chain. I have a pair of WLOs and a slider, but I've never actually used either. Call me lame/boring, but I prefer slider off to slider down and LRM with standard toggles. This is also a good argument for wearing knee/shin protection. I should start doing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #50 December 7, 2013 I also used standard toggles when slider off earlier. But then I realized the WLO toggles are larger and stiffer and therefoe easier to grab. In my opion... But I guess it depends on what type of WLO/WTF/etc. toggles you have and what type of "standard" toggles it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
