airdvr 210 #26 January 20, 2011 Am I the only one who was a tad disappointed that I was not reading a story about that most dreaded of high speed mals, the horseshoe? Seriously thought it is good that you are thinking about your gear and what you'd do in the event of a mal.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #27 January 20, 2011 QuoteAm I the only one who was a tad disappointed that I was not reading a story about that most dreaded of high speed mals, the horseshoe? Many apologies, I'll go out and induce one this weekend and post back here ASAP just so nobody else is disappointed. If I put the boc in my teeth and wrap the bridle three times around my testicles before pulling the pin manually and swallowing the hackey will that qualify as a horseshoe? Please let me know in the next few hours because that is my plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muffie 0 #28 January 20, 2011 Be sure to get video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #29 January 20, 2011 Hi Popsjuper, I don't so much care what definition is the correct one, but am interested in understanding how mals are defined. Quote Not sure what you mean by non-freefall situation. I was thinking the sort of situation where the jumper is in freefall with a container open, a bag out, but something snagged, and no canopy open. I'd call that a sort of 'classic horseshoe', even if other situations also could qualify as a horseshoe. The USPA SIM says that a premature container opening can lead to "one type" of horseshoe -- they don't restrict the definition just to that. In general the SIM does use a very wide definition of horseshoe: QuoteHORSESHOE n. A partial parachute malfunction where part of the deployed parachute is entangled with the jumper or his or her equipment. In another area it is a little more clear that this is supposed to refer to situations other than a misrouted bridle in tow etc, since the container has opened: Quotehorseshoe (the container is open but the parachute is not properly deployed because something is snagged on the system) One could argue to what degree it makes sense to use a term for a specific shape to extend to all entanglements with body or container. For teaching purposes, I can see sticking to the broad definition because it is "in the book", even if the classic form of the mal is sometimes more narrowly defined in practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #30 January 20, 2011 I'll concede to Pops if he'll agree to call it a ponyshoe.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one who was a tad disappointed that I was not reading a story about that most dreaded of high speed mals, the horseshoe? Many apologies, I'll go out and induce one this weekend and post back here ASAP just so nobody else is disappointed. If I put the boc in my teeth and wrap the bridle three times around my testicles before pulling the pin manually and swallowing the hackey will that qualify as a horseshoe? Please let me know in the next few hours because that is my plan. HAHAHA. I've been thinking the same thing the whole thread. You may or may not have mis-named it; so yeah, let's all focus most of the thread on what the fucking malfunction would be called. ETA: I think it should be called Fred. The dreaded Fred malfunction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 January 21, 2011 Quote I'll concede to Pops if he'll agree to call it a ponyshoe. Done deal. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #33 January 21, 2011 Thanks...you said it much better than I did.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #34 January 21, 2011 Outstanding sig line! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #35 January 24, 2011 in reply to: " If you experience a horseshoe, and you are using a hand deployment technique, pull the main’s hand deploy pilot chute immediately. Then, and even if you can’t pull the main hand deploy pilot chute, execute a breakaway and deploy the reserve. " .................................................... There is just a chance that the main will open after deploying the horseshoed pilot chute. If you haven't lost height awareness it may not be necessary to immediately cut-away. Very likely you will have to though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
