grue 1 #51 February 17, 2015 SkyDekker ************ Keep in mind that if your GF was ever to become very sick, government programs like FMLA would be useless to you. At least they'd be consistent with my beliefs about the government in general But yeah I don't really like this whole "discrimination against committed but unmarried couples" thing. I don't think getting 90 days "unpaid" off a year to care for a sick Spouse or child has a poiltical slant. Not intentionally, it's just that most people assume that everyone wants to be married, or everyone wants to have kids, or everyone has a religion. Laws are frequently framed with these assumptions and can screw over people who don't want any of those things. it isn't an assumption. It is a requirement. What I mean with that is that a country needs continued growth. In order for that to happen, babies need to be born. To facilitate this, laws and regulations are drafted to help this. The less babies Americans make, the more immigration is needed to keep the country growing. I like immigrants. I don't like children. Everything works out.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GD64 1 #52 February 17, 2015 lawrocket I'm now happily married to a psychiatrist. Amazing woman Outstanding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #53 February 17, 2015 skymamaQuoteWHat I meant was "Why is it that a couple has to go through a marriage to prove that they're a committed couple and be able to share benefits?" Some companies do allow a significant other to be on an employee's health care plan. Normiss was able to add me to his plan about 2 years before we got married. I'm very thankful for the gay community pushing for their committed relationship rights, they helped me too! What will be interesting to see is that when the U.S. does have marriage equality (I say when, not if, because it seems things are inevitably heading in that direction), if domestic partner benefits go away. I believe that currently (in CA at least), if a company chooses to offer DP benefits for same sex DPs, they also have to offer them for opposite sex DPs. Once everyone has the opportunity to enter into marriage, it'll be interesting to see if companies say "well, you could get married and choose not to, so no benefits for you." (Of course, this is all part of the bigger question of why on earth our employment situation continues to drive the provision of health insurance... but that's a Speakers' Corner rant). To bring this back on topic, I feel pretty fortunate to work for an employer (and on a team) where everyone balances things out pretty well and has each others' back. Of the 10 people on the team I work for, I think half have kids at home (though one just sent hers off to college), the other half don't. There's never been any of the "well you don't have kids, you can't leave early" kind of thing - pretty much my boss sets the tone that we're all professionals, we all have a set of assigned work, and as long as we meet the agreed-upon expectations, we can get the work done in the way that works for us. So if one person can't meet till 9:00 a.m. one week because he's got kid drop-off duty, or another takes off at 4 to pick up her daughter from day care and logs back on in the evening to wrap up the day's work, or if I need to take off early to get to a volunteer training event on a couple of days, or I bug out early on a Friday to catch a plane to a boogie... it all shakes out. I've never felt like my "stuff" that requires flexibility is any less or more important than my colleagues just because mine never involves kid stuff. Personal time is personal time, and as long as I'm doing my job and meeting my obligations, I'm allowed to use it as needed."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #54 February 17, 2015 Quote I'm now happily married to a psychiatrist. Amazing woman http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-02-05 http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-02-06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #55 February 17, 2015 He got a divorce from a divorce lawyer and then married a shrink. Can't make that shit up. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #56 February 17, 2015 Having two little girls, I'm fortunate to have a job with flexibility as far as time off or working around situations. My boss has raised 4 kids of his own so he knows how it is. My wife also works so we try to take turns taking off from work if the girls need us."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 February 18, 2015 PhreeZoneThe US has the worst maternity leave program of the entire world - basically none in a lot of jobs. This has been something that states are taking on and changing on a state by state basis but its a shame that a new mother has to go back to work within a week or two in some instances since they are out of sick days and can not go with out income for the 6-8 weeks that is recommended. As a side note look for this to be a topic on the 2016 presidential election since it is a hot topic among a lot of younger women voters - the ones both parties are needing to get to win the election. Ya know - if you can't afford a kid .. . don't have any. Seems pretty simple.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #58 February 18, 2015 turtlespeed***The US has the worst maternity leave program of the entire world - basically none in a lot of jobs. This has been something that states are taking on and changing on a state by state basis but its a shame that a new mother has to go back to work within a week or two in some instances since they are out of sick days and can not go with out income for the 6-8 weeks that is recommended. As a side note look for this to be a topic on the 2016 presidential election since it is a hot topic among a lot of younger women voters - the ones both parties are needing to get to win the election. Ya know - if you can't afford a kid .. . don't have any. Seems pretty simple. That's crazy talk, don't you know?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #59 February 18, 2015 PhreeZoneThe US has the worst maternity leave program of the entire world - basically none in a lot of jobs. This has been something that states are taking on and changing on a state by state basis but its a shame that a new mother has to go back to work within a week or two in some instances since they are out of sick days and can not go with out income for the 6-8 weeks that is recommended. As a side note look for this to be a topic on the 2016 presidential election since it is a hot topic among a lot of younger women voters - the ones both parties are needing to get to win the election. QuoteI think this is a Republican thing ... there is no PROFIT in "caring" for employees ... damn slackers ....Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimjumper 25 #60 February 18, 2015 You might have something there. I think somebody discovered how to prevent pregnancy a while ago. Quite a few kids I see are a result of the social climate their parents were raised in. A lot of people are raised with the belief that a good job, a house in the 'burbs, and 2.2 kids per family is the American dream. Throw in some hormones and bingo! When me and my wife met, one of the big things we had in common was that neither of us wanted kids. As a result we don't have to be responsible to anybody but ourselves. To quote from the movie "Oceans 12", "I want the last check I write before I die, to bounce!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oldwomanc6 60 #61 February 18, 2015 jimjumperYou might have something there. I think somebody discovered how to prevent pregnancy a while ago. Quite a few kids I see are a result of the social climate their parents were raised in. A lot of people are raised with the belief that a good job, a house in the 'burbs, and 2.2 kids per family is the American dream. Throw in some hormones and bingo! When me and my wife met, one of the big things we had in common was that neither of us wanted kids. As a result we don't have to be responsible to anybody but ourselves. To quote from the movie "Oceans 12", "I want the last check I write before I die, to bounce!" Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children, there is something to the fact that the most educated (presumably, the smartest?) portion of the population aren't reproducing at the same rate as the rest of the population. Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding."lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #62 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oldwomanc6 60 #63 February 18, 2015 grue *** Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years…...lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #64 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 ****** Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years….... . . Then you know nothing John snow.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #65 February 18, 2015 QuoteI think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. Snip isn't 100% effective. Other than not having sex, no method of birth control is 100% effective Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #66 February 18, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteI think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. Snip isn't 100% effective. Other than not having sex, no method of birth control is 100% effectivebullshit. 94 yo nun with a rubber on a candlestick.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #67 February 18, 2015 Iago ********* Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years…...I think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. At least that's how I read it. But in all seriousness there is a good solution for accidental pregnancies, even though it makes the religious folks go all crazy. It really is a solved problem once you take emotion out of it.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #68 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding." Ahh, that's Fat Mike from NOFX, "The Idiots Are Taking Over". One of my favorites. I carry health insurance and try to stay healthy. Yet I'm continually stuck with subsidizing uninsured people who make bad life choices or just have the misfortune to fall ill. Should we kick them into the gutter? I don't use medicaid or unpaid ER visits. Why should I pay a dime for them? You don't have children so you don't use parks? Really? Put away those jogging shoes, frisbees, mountain bikes, and basketballs. I see a lot of childless people in parks. Open spaces and recreation benefit all of us. You'll be old some day, if you're lucky. Who's gonna bring you your meds in the old folks home? My kids, or maybe their kids. I bet you'll wish they went to school and can read a pill bottle. The tax write off for children is a worth maybe $700/year to most households. Is that really too much to help out families? The zero deduction, available to childless couples and couples with children is worth about $3500/ year. How about we get rid of that? No tax structure is "fair". It all depends on your point of view. Our society has determined that strong families and a helping hand to parents is beneficial to our community. Like I said, I never got preferential treatment at work for being a father, nor did I expect it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #69 February 18, 2015 JohnMitchell *** Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding." Ahh, that's Fat Mike from NOFX, "The Idiots Are Taking Over". One of my favorites. I carry health insurance and try to stay healthy. Yet I'm continually stuck with subsidizing uninsured people who make bad life choices or just have the misfortune to fall ill. Should we kick them into the gutter? I don't use medicaid or unpaid ER visits. Why should I pay a dime for them? You don't have children so you don't use parks? Really? Put away those jogging shoes, frisbees, mountain bikes, and basketballs. I see a lot of childless people in parks. Open spaces and recreation benefit all of us. You'll be old some day, if you're lucky. Who's gonna bring you your meds in the old folks home? My kids, or maybe their kids. I bet you'll wish they went to school and can read a pill bottle. The tax write off for children is a worth maybe $700/year to most households. Is that really too much to help out families? The zero deduction, available to childless couples and couples with children is worth about $3500/ year. How about we get rid of that? No tax structure is "fair". It all depends on your point of view. Our society has determined that strong families and a helping hand to parents is beneficial to our community. Like I said, I never got preferential treatment at work for being a father, nor did I expect it. Being on this forum over the years, I've found that the most strident commentators on all sorts of parenting-related issues more often than not are people who are not parents themselves. This thread more or less fits that general pattern. But whatever. I suppose perspective is all a matter of whose ox is getting gored. The flip side to all this bitching is that people, usually mothers, often find themselves penalized in the workplace and in their careers because they're raising children. Gone are the days when even the most modestly middle class families in the US could raise a family on the dad's income alone while Mom stayed at home full-time. For the past generation, it's taken 2 incomes to meet all but the more affluent families' needs. Yet the workplace has flexed only very slightly to meet that reality, and the resulting effective glass ceiling for working... mostly mothers, is huge. From some of the commentary in here, you'd think that simply doing a normal thing like having/raising a couple of kids should be equated with voluntarily risky behavior like skydiving, or like out of control "breeding" like welfare baby-mommas. It's not lost on me that little (if any) of that kind of commentary seems to come from people who've actually danced the dance of struggling to raise a normal, decent family and earn a living wage or have a career at the same time. It cuts both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #70 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8 The flip side to all this bitching is that people, usually mothers, often find themselves penalized in the workplace and in their careers because they're raising children. My career would suffer if I chose to take a bunch of time off to go skydiving, travel europe, play video games, or otherwise not do my job. Growing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina isn't like being struck down with cancer where you didn't have a choice in the matter and to take time to get treatment. It's something people choose to do, and choices have consequences.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #71 February 18, 2015 QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #72 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #73 February 18, 2015 grue***QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes. Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #74 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8******QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes. Really? An organism that feeds off of the nutrients of a living host. How does that NOT describe an unborn baby? People get all emotional and try and pretend that children are little miracles that should be worshipped. Making offspring is literally one of the easiest things humans can do. Raising them well? That's harder, I'll admit, but so is maintaining an exotic car so it's something you should be aware of before you get one, because it's not all fun and games.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #75 February 18, 2015 Quoteso is maintaining an exotic car Really? You didn't really bother to read & digest my post, did you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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jimjumper 25 #60 February 18, 2015 You might have something there. I think somebody discovered how to prevent pregnancy a while ago. Quite a few kids I see are a result of the social climate their parents were raised in. A lot of people are raised with the belief that a good job, a house in the 'burbs, and 2.2 kids per family is the American dream. Throw in some hormones and bingo! When me and my wife met, one of the big things we had in common was that neither of us wanted kids. As a result we don't have to be responsible to anybody but ourselves. To quote from the movie "Oceans 12", "I want the last check I write before I die, to bounce!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #61 February 18, 2015 jimjumperYou might have something there. I think somebody discovered how to prevent pregnancy a while ago. Quite a few kids I see are a result of the social climate their parents were raised in. A lot of people are raised with the belief that a good job, a house in the 'burbs, and 2.2 kids per family is the American dream. Throw in some hormones and bingo! When me and my wife met, one of the big things we had in common was that neither of us wanted kids. As a result we don't have to be responsible to anybody but ourselves. To quote from the movie "Oceans 12", "I want the last check I write before I die, to bounce!" Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children, there is something to the fact that the most educated (presumably, the smartest?) portion of the population aren't reproducing at the same rate as the rest of the population. Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding."lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #62 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #63 February 18, 2015 grue *** Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years…...lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #64 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 ****** Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years….... . . Then you know nothing John snow.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 February 18, 2015 QuoteI think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. Snip isn't 100% effective. Other than not having sex, no method of birth control is 100% effective Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #66 February 18, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteI think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. Snip isn't 100% effective. Other than not having sex, no method of birth control is 100% effectivebullshit. 94 yo nun with a rubber on a candlestick.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #67 February 18, 2015 Iago ********* Disregarding the hubris of assuming that the birth control method you use makes you immune to children THat's a super-solved problem. If I get the snip and my girlfriend still manages to get pregnant, it's still probably less than an 18 year sentence to just kill her and avoid child support that way. Right? RIGHT?! I sure as hell hope that was meant tongue in cheek, because that wasn't funny at all. BUT, your post suggests that "problem" is not "super-solved". You say "If I get the snip". Just a side humorous note: If you think the "sentence" is over in 18 years…...I think he meant he'd be paying child support for another man's child, so just off the cheating whore. At least that's how I read it. But in all seriousness there is a good solution for accidental pregnancies, even though it makes the religious folks go all crazy. It really is a solved problem once you take emotion out of it.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #68 February 18, 2015 oldwomanc6 Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding." Ahh, that's Fat Mike from NOFX, "The Idiots Are Taking Over". One of my favorites. I carry health insurance and try to stay healthy. Yet I'm continually stuck with subsidizing uninsured people who make bad life choices or just have the misfortune to fall ill. Should we kick them into the gutter? I don't use medicaid or unpaid ER visits. Why should I pay a dime for them? You don't have children so you don't use parks? Really? Put away those jogging shoes, frisbees, mountain bikes, and basketballs. I see a lot of childless people in parks. Open spaces and recreation benefit all of us. You'll be old some day, if you're lucky. Who's gonna bring you your meds in the old folks home? My kids, or maybe their kids. I bet you'll wish they went to school and can read a pill bottle. The tax write off for children is a worth maybe $700/year to most households. Is that really too much to help out families? The zero deduction, available to childless couples and couples with children is worth about $3500/ year. How about we get rid of that? No tax structure is "fair". It all depends on your point of view. Our society has determined that strong families and a helping hand to parents is beneficial to our community. Like I said, I never got preferential treatment at work for being a father, nor did I expect it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #69 February 18, 2015 JohnMitchell *** Brings to mind a Green Day song, where a line says, "only the stupid people are breeding." Ahh, that's Fat Mike from NOFX, "The Idiots Are Taking Over". One of my favorites. I carry health insurance and try to stay healthy. Yet I'm continually stuck with subsidizing uninsured people who make bad life choices or just have the misfortune to fall ill. Should we kick them into the gutter? I don't use medicaid or unpaid ER visits. Why should I pay a dime for them? You don't have children so you don't use parks? Really? Put away those jogging shoes, frisbees, mountain bikes, and basketballs. I see a lot of childless people in parks. Open spaces and recreation benefit all of us. You'll be old some day, if you're lucky. Who's gonna bring you your meds in the old folks home? My kids, or maybe their kids. I bet you'll wish they went to school and can read a pill bottle. The tax write off for children is a worth maybe $700/year to most households. Is that really too much to help out families? The zero deduction, available to childless couples and couples with children is worth about $3500/ year. How about we get rid of that? No tax structure is "fair". It all depends on your point of view. Our society has determined that strong families and a helping hand to parents is beneficial to our community. Like I said, I never got preferential treatment at work for being a father, nor did I expect it. Being on this forum over the years, I've found that the most strident commentators on all sorts of parenting-related issues more often than not are people who are not parents themselves. This thread more or less fits that general pattern. But whatever. I suppose perspective is all a matter of whose ox is getting gored. The flip side to all this bitching is that people, usually mothers, often find themselves penalized in the workplace and in their careers because they're raising children. Gone are the days when even the most modestly middle class families in the US could raise a family on the dad's income alone while Mom stayed at home full-time. For the past generation, it's taken 2 incomes to meet all but the more affluent families' needs. Yet the workplace has flexed only very slightly to meet that reality, and the resulting effective glass ceiling for working... mostly mothers, is huge. From some of the commentary in here, you'd think that simply doing a normal thing like having/raising a couple of kids should be equated with voluntarily risky behavior like skydiving, or like out of control "breeding" like welfare baby-mommas. It's not lost on me that little (if any) of that kind of commentary seems to come from people who've actually danced the dance of struggling to raise a normal, decent family and earn a living wage or have a career at the same time. It cuts both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #70 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8 The flip side to all this bitching is that people, usually mothers, often find themselves penalized in the workplace and in their careers because they're raising children. My career would suffer if I chose to take a bunch of time off to go skydiving, travel europe, play video games, or otherwise not do my job. Growing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina isn't like being struck down with cancer where you didn't have a choice in the matter and to take time to get treatment. It's something people choose to do, and choices have consequences.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #71 February 18, 2015 QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #72 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #73 February 18, 2015 grue***QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes. Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #74 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8******QuoteGrowing a parasite and dropping it out of a vagina Really? Unborn children meet the classic definition of the word, yes. Really? An organism that feeds off of the nutrients of a living host. How does that NOT describe an unborn baby? People get all emotional and try and pretend that children are little miracles that should be worshipped. Making offspring is literally one of the easiest things humans can do. Raising them well? That's harder, I'll admit, but so is maintaining an exotic car so it's something you should be aware of before you get one, because it's not all fun and games.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #75 February 18, 2015 Quoteso is maintaining an exotic car Really? You didn't really bother to read & digest my post, did you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
