Amazon 7 #1 October 30, 2015 He flies thru the air with the greatest of ease http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/41421666-story Seriously .. this could be a Billy Vance thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #2 October 30, 2015 Driving without seat belt -- here's your sign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 October 30, 2015 headoverheels Driving without seat belt -- here's your sign. Well he did "stick" the landing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #4 October 30, 2015 headoverheels Driving without seat belt -- here's your sign. We need more seatbelt laws.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #5 October 30, 2015 Yup. I've lost a couple friends to the "not wearing a seatbelt" thing. One was a rollover where she was a passenger and fell partway out the passenger window as the car rolled. The car rolled on top of her. The other was a friend's cousin. The car rolled a few times. The passenger was launched pretty much straight up (kinda like this guy) and landed back on the pavement. On his head. They estimated he was tossed about 15 or 20 feet up (based on the injuries/impact)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #6 October 31, 2015 It's quite amazing the forces required for such a launch and landing point... http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kabc/images/cms/1059287_630x354.jpg"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #7 October 31, 2015 wolfriverjoe Yup. I've lost a couple friends to the "not wearing a seatbelt" thing. Anyone who doesn't wear a seat belt is a total moron and not allowed in any vehicle with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #8 October 31, 2015 JohnMitchell ***Yup. I've lost a couple friends to the "not wearing a seatbelt" thing. Anyone who doesn't wear a seat belt is a total moron and not allowed in any vehicle with me. Not even a motorcycle?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #9 October 31, 2015 turtlespeed ******Yup. I've lost a couple friends to the "not wearing a seatbelt" thing. Anyone who doesn't wear a seat belt is a total moron and not allowed in any vehicle with me. Not even a motorcycle? Whole 'nother story there, Turtle. That's accepting a whole new level of risk. I don't do bikes much anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 October 31, 2015 JohnMitchell *********Yup. I've lost a couple friends to the "not wearing a seatbelt" thing. Anyone who doesn't wear a seat belt is a total moron and not allowed in any vehicle with me. Not even a motorcycle? Whole 'nother story there, Turtle. That's accepting a whole new level of risk. I don't do bikes much anymore. True that. But why can you take/accept the risk on a bike, but inside a closed vehicle, you are required to wear a belt?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 October 31, 2015 turtlespeed But why can you take/accept the risk on a bike, but inside a closed vehicle, you are required to wear a belt? Very interesting question that I've pondered before. Could it be that motorcycles' inherent risks are obvious, but so are the rewards, so we accept that tradeoff for the less-than-mainstream people that ride them? It's a situation similar to our jumping out of planes. And many states require crash helmets to be worn when riding. Why not require seatbelts when riding in an automobile? As much as I don't like the "Nanny state" approach to many things, people can be very unwise in their choices. One of the most benign, possibly life saving devices, is a common seatbelt. I know people that only buckle up because it's the law. Many that's the law is the only thing that keeps them from doing heroin too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #12 October 31, 2015 If you're dressed appropriately and can see a collision coming, you can lay the bike down and slide."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 October 31, 2015 JohnMitchell *** But why can you take/accept the risk on a bike, but inside a closed vehicle, you are required to wear a belt? Very interesting question that I've pondered before. Could it be that motorcycles' inherent risks are obvious, but so are the rewards, so we accept that tradeoff for the less-than-mainstream people that ride them? It's a situation similar to our jumping out of planes. And many states require crash helmets to be worn when riding. Why not require seatbelts when riding in an automobile? As much as I don't like the "Nanny state" approach to many things, people can be very unwise in their choices. One of the most benign, possibly life saving devices, is a common seatbelt. I know people that only buckle up because it's the law. Many that's the law is the only thing that keeps them from doing heroin too. Then why not have to wear helmets inside the car?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 October 31, 2015 turtlespeed Then why not have to wear helmets inside the car? Doh! Because it is too hard to talk on the cellphone with a helmet on."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,266 #15 October 31, 2015 Quote But why can you take/accept the risk on a bike, but inside a closed vehicle, you are required to wear a belt? To me it's like the difference between skydiving and BASE jumping. An AAD is like a seatbelt, it may save your life. Probably not yours, or any one particular person, but they will for sure save some lives. Motorcycles are like BASE. Way more fun than driving a car, but your margin for error, and the consequences of something going wrong are much increased. A helmet might protect one part of you, but only so much. I've lost a brother, a cousin, and a step brother to MC accidents. But I still ride occasionally, and BASE? Maybe soon. But I long ago gave up resisting the seatbelt laws. I buckle up and if I'm driving all my passengers do as well.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #16 October 31, 2015 Two incidents made me a firm believer in seatbelts: 1. The day I was a passenger in a buddy's CJ-5 and he tried to drive down a very steep, snow-covered trail. The Jeep got sideways and we did (I'm guessing), about 2.5 barrel rolls, coming to a stop on resting on the drivers side. The soft top and the windshield frame were demolished, and the windshield glass was in our laps. We both got out w/o a scratch because we were both belted in. 2. I was cruising down a 4-lane interstate at 70mph in the left lane, passing a car in the right lane, when the oblivious bitch changed lanes right into me w/o looking. I was run off the road into a big, deep grass median at 70mph, and let me tell you that terrain was bumpy as hell!!! Thank goodness I had installed heavy-duty springs & shocks on that thing! The only thing that kept me from being thrown out, (soft top), was the seatbelt. I kept the rubber side down, slowed down, and got back on the road."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #17 October 31, 2015 turtlespeed Then why not have to wear helmets inside the car? Frankly that's a great idea. And a HANS system to boot. I would prefer a 5 point harness, same as airline pilots have up front on the flight deck too. Or at least shoulder straps on my airliner seat. But as you set up your extreme argument, the invention of airbags, both front and side, make the need for a helmet less likely in a regular auto crash. Also, a seat belt is a minor inconvenience for a huge improvement in safety. I feel crash helmets would be a bit too much for most drivers, with a lesser improvement in safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 October 31, 2015 gowlerk To me it's like the difference between skydiving and BASE jumping. An AAD is like a seatbelt, it may save your life. Probably not yours, or any one particular person, but they will for sure save some lives. Motorcycles are like BASE. Way more fun than driving a car, but your margin for error, and the consequences of something going wrong are much increased. A helmet might protect one part of you, but only so much. I've lost a brother, a cousin, and a step brother to MC accidents. But I still ride occasionally, and BASE? Maybe soon. But I long ago gave up resisting the seatbelt laws. I buckle up and if I'm driving all my passengers do as well. Perfect analogy. And motorcycles have had more chances to kill me than skydiving. Let's not forget there's a large societal cost from increased injuries from not wearing seatbelts. That comes from all our pockets. Auto death rate is down 80% from when I was a kid. This is due largely to better engineering of our cars and roadways. But it all starts with buckling the damn seatbelt to stay in the car. Give me one good reason not to buckle that belt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #19 October 31, 2015 ryoder 1. The day I was a passenger in a buddy's CJ-5 and he tried to drive down a very steep, snow-covered trail. The Jeep got sideways and we did (I'm guessing), about 2.5 barrel rolls, coming to a stop on resting on the drivers side. The soft top and the windshield frame were demolished, and the windshield glass was in our laps. We both got out w/o a scratch because we were both belted in. I'm guessing that one would have killed you if you hadn't been belted in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,266 #20 November 1, 2015 Quote Auto death rate is down 80% from when I was a kid. Which has lead to the current shortage of organs being available for transplant BTW.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
