PD_FreeFlier 0 #1 September 14, 2004 how are the swoops on a sabre1 135 compared to a sabre2 135? loaded at about 1.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #2 September 14, 2004 > how are the swoops on a sabre1 135 compared to a sabre2 135? Very different. The Sabre 2 doesn't have a very long recovery arc, but it's still better than the Sabre 1. The 2 has more lift in the flare, and it happens later in the stroke. They are very different animals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #3 September 14, 2004 I own a sabre2 135 and love it. But we had a little discussion the other day about PD doing better selling the canopy if they would have changed the name completely away from "saber" It kinda makes sense because a lot of people associate the saber with wicked and hard openings. Sorry about getting off the subject kinda but just some input into the sabre2. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #4 September 14, 2004 Totally different beasts. I have about 400 jumps on a Sabre 120 and 300 on a Sabre2 107. Both canopies are well rounded, so I think that's why they stuck with the name (that, and the Sabre was wildly popular). The openings: The Sabre2's openings are about a trillion times better than the Sabre. The Sabre slammed you if you didn't pack it right. The Sabre2 can be packed any damn way and still give you a good opening. And I mean ANY damn way (you'd cringe at some of the wads I shoved into that bag). Both will fly straight in line twists. The Sabre2 might rotate you up to once in the event of line twists -- no big deal. The front: On my Sabre, I threw 180s from about 300'. On my Sabre2, they were between 400' and 450' (270s and 360s were from about 450' and 500' respectively). Front riser pressure builds much more slowly on the Sabre2. I even threw the occasional 450 on final, and 720 up top, with the Sabre2. Very light front riser pressue that builds up over about 7 - 8 seconds. The Sabre is done within 5 seconds. For more conservative swoops, double fronts are easy to hold and 90s build up decent speed. The middle: The Sabre2's full flight glide is noticeably steeper than the Sabre, and rears get it to about the Sabre's normal glide. Rear riser pressure is higher on the Sabre2. The Sabre is trimmed so flat, there's not really any place for rear risers on landing. The back: The original Sabre had damn near no flare when compared to the Sabre2. The Sabre2 has a LOT of bottom end. Toggle turns are much quicker on the Sabre2. Toggle pressure is higher on the Sabre2. On straight-in landings, the flare can be very staged -- which is good for beginners who are still working on timing out their. The Sabre2 moreso than the Sabre, IMO, is a very good canopy to go from a conservative flying style to a more aggressive one, for beginner to intermediate canopy pilots. It's a good canopy on which to learn all the facets of canopy flight, right on up to landing swoops on purely on rear risers. Both make kickass, worry-free wingsuit canopies, as well."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
