JonIceland 0 #1 July 15, 2004 Hi Im kinda new to this sport and love it. My name is Gudjon and am from Iceland but usually called Jon. I just started this summer by finishing the AFF and A license in Skydive City Z-Hills. I searching for a rig and I need some help from the more experienced finding the right rig for me. I was thinking about the Infinity container and maybe 170 Sabre2 or Safire 170. I´ve got about 35 jumps total and 7 of them on a 190 Sabre, but I´m not sure if I like the openings on the Sabre. I´m 190 lbs. Thanks in advance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 July 15, 2004 Do you have local instructors to talk to? They are going to be the best source of info for you, especially on canopy choice. Look into wing loading for a start - it's not the whole answer, but is an inportant factor (exit weight in lb/square foot). Most people would agree the Sabre2 is a good canopy for you, dependant on size. It's worth remembering that the Safire 1 is actually 7% smaller than it's size would otherwise indicate. The Safire 2 is the size on the lable though (go figure). Personally I wouldn't reccomend a 170 for your first canopy. If you're 190lb then you have an exit weight arround 215lb. That gives a wing loading of 1.26:1 That's a scary wing loading to be on and increases the risks on injuring yourself dramatically. You should reconsider that size. A good rule of thumb to follow is to not exceed a wing loading of 1.1:1 (1.1lb per square foot of canopy). Infinity's are nice. So are many others. You can't really go wrong with anything that's made currently (ie new or only a few years old). If you're looking at older gear there are some containers to avoid or at least to avoid doing certain things in. Again talk to your instructors or local jumpers. Perhaps post here about specific models if you wish. Oh, and welcome to our world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonIceland 0 #3 July 15, 2004 Thank you. I am pretty scared of the 170 Sabre, my local instructors are trying to sell me a used 170 Sabre with about 200-300 jumps, a Javelin container and 2 year old Cypress. I like the Javelin container, I feel comfortable in the Javelin and I like how responsive the Sabre is but I´ve had one severe hard open with bad line twists on that rig and I can´t stop thinking about that it probably won´t be the first and only time I will be experiencing hard openings while using the Sabre. At first I starting looking for 190 sq ft canopy but they convinced me of buying a 170 sq ft. Don´t know if I should believe the since the local instructor only has about 1000-2000 jumps and doesn´t seem quite supportive of new skydivers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanofOZ 0 #4 July 15, 2004 You need to talk to your local gear dealers also. They are a great source of info and usually much more up-to-date on what is out there for your ability. One thing is fore sure, dont but something you are not sure about or that you feel pushed into buying. There is a ton of good gear out there at the right price is you look a little. Just because your instructors are pushing you to get the 170 Sabre doesnt mean you have to. Even instructors make bad calls and it seems they may be doing that here. Talk to GravityGirl and Skybytch here, they are great sources for gear and information. Remember that your safety needs to come first. You can still scare yourself on a 230sq ft canopy if you fly it right so dont be in a rush to go load the wing. I load a Spectre210 at about 1.19:1 and it is more than enough for me.Oz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 July 15, 2004 Well, I’m not going to start arguing with your local instructors. A) I’m not an instructor, B) they’ve seen you fly and know you. I do advise caution exceeding the recommended wing loadings though, and worry when instructors give advice contrary to what the manufacturers specifically warn about. They key idea here is that if you’re scared of it, odds are you’re not ready for it. Don’t be too afraid of a Sabre. Not all open hard and it should be possible to tame those that are prone to hard openings either through packing technique or with a minor modification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonIceland 0 #6 July 15, 2004 Thank you for these great advice and I will keep them in mind when I purchase a Rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #7 July 16, 2004 Blessaður Guðjón! Velkominn í sportið Ég myndi mæla með að hlýta ráðleggingum Þórjóns og þeirra sem að þekkja til heima til að byrja með og safna aðeins fleiri stökkum. Þegar þú ert til í að prufa eitthvað nýtt, endilega hafðu þá samband og ég skal gefa þér allar upplýsingar sem að þú vilt - ég vinn fyrir PD sem framleiðir allskonar fallhlífar Endilega vertu í bandi, meillinn minn er kolla@performancedesigns.com. Blár himinn! KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Kolla 0 #7 July 16, 2004 Blessaður Guðjón! Velkominn í sportið Ég myndi mæla með að hlýta ráðleggingum Þórjóns og þeirra sem að þekkja til heima til að byrja með og safna aðeins fleiri stökkum. Þegar þú ert til í að prufa eitthvað nýtt, endilega hafðu þá samband og ég skal gefa þér allar upplýsingar sem að þú vilt - ég vinn fyrir PD sem framleiðir allskonar fallhlífar Endilega vertu í bandi, meillinn minn er kolla@performancedesigns.com. Blár himinn! KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
