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I saw this post on incidents and was hoping some riggers (or anyone) could add their $0.02 please.
Thank you.

RE: a canopy cell that blew out - someone speculated that perhaps the fabric color might have had anything to do with it.

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I wonder if it might be the color (red) that seems to fade quickly on all kinds of things. I wonder if it might have weakened the fabric in the red areas fading faster than the other colors. It might be totally irrelevant but something I would be curious about if any riggers know if colors matter.

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Don't know if that was the cause here, but test have shown that certain colors of nylon, typically the lighter ones, do degrade faster.

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I did some checking before deciding on the colors for my main. the answer is that NO color has no real effect on ageing of ZP fabric, on your main some colors may breakdown sooner then others but that is based on the fabric lot that was dyed that color, your main is assembled out of different fabric lots, while all had to pass some quality controls not all fabric lots are created equal. So its an illusion that one color failed before another color (para phrased from Brian Germain)

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NO color has no real effect on ageing of ZP fabric



We all know that dark colors absorb heat and light colors reflect heat. It seems that the color would have some effect on the life span of the canopy b/c of the amout of heat that it is exposed to while in the sun.

IE: black canopy gets hotter in the sun than a white canopy.

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We all know that dark colors absorb heat and light colors reflect heat. It seems that the color would have some effect on the life span of the canopy b/c of the amout of heat that it is exposed to while in the sun.

IE: black canopy gets hotter in the sun than a white canopy.



Don't confuse heat and UV damage. Generally speaking, modest heat doesn't have a significant aging effect. UV has a big effect.

-- Jeff
My Skydiving History

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I did some checking before deciding on the colors for my main. the answer is that NO color has no real effect on ageing of ZP fabric, on your main some colors may breakdown sooner then others but that is based on the fabric lot that was dyed that color, your main is assembled out of different fabric lots, while all had to pass some quality controls not all fabric lots are created equal. So its an illusion that one color failed before another color (para phrased from Brian Germain)



Just out of curiosity, did you gather that information from one source or several.

Based on your jump numbers it is probably not based on experience in the field.

Perhaps the "color" specifically is not the cause of the breakdown, but some colors are less consistant from batch to batch, making them, well.... quirky.

In my experience red has been one of those "Quirky" colors. But not enough to deter me from having a red reserve and a red cell in my main! ;)

Makes more of a difference IMHO when you are ordering a Tandem main that will be put to the test. Loads of jumps, every day, in all conditions.

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Makes more of a difference IMHO when you are ordering a Tandem main that will be put to the test. Loads of jumps, every day, in all conditions.



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That is why our newest tandem canopies have rainbow bottom skins and white top skins.

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RE: a canopy cell that blew out - someone speculated that perhaps the fabric color might have had anything to do with it.


Excerpt from Poynter's "The Parachute Manual":

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9.3.1.8.15. Sun Damage

The ultraviolet rays of the sun will damage nylon and will ruin a parachute in short time. The angle of the sun's rays, the position of the material in relation to the sun, the time of the year and the time of day, screening factors of glass, etc. all determine the extent of the damage. Glass absorbs some of the ultraviolet rays, but it does not screen them out entirely. Fluorescent lights work on nylon only half as fast when in close proximity, which is bad enough. Incandescent lights are relatively safe.
Type I Fabric, Percent Breaking Strength in Ibs. lost 

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Outdoors, summer sun: Outdoors, summer sun, behind glass:
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one week 52% one week 40%
two weeks 71% two weeks 61%
three weeks 94% three weeks 85%
As demonstrated in the above chart, the sun's rays deteriorate the nylon quite rapidly and glass slows the process but little. The parachute's exposure to the sun must be kept to a minimum. Tests indicate that once nylon is exposed to the sun, the damage is done; it will not regain its strength if then stored out of the sun. Some new nylon yarns have been developed which resist damage by ultraviolet rays and they do not deteriorate quite as rapidly. The thinner the material, the quicker the damage; thick materials screen the sun from the inner fibers.

Some late 1957 and early 1958 Pioneer manufactured Navy 26' conical canopies have been known to come apart like tissue paper; there were 200 to 300 in the batch. Prior to 1958, a titanium dioxide delustrant was used to treat nylon fibers to make them dull. It was soon discovered that when exposed to light, this chemical treatment accelerated fiber deterioration. MIL-C-7020 was rewritten to specify only bright, untreated nylon for canopies. See the 1962 report released by the National Research Council of Canada (No. C-98-935).

It is interesting to note that many sport parachutists pack outside in the sun and that if we assume that their canopies are exposed 15 minutes each time, then after 280 jumps, the assembly has been in the sun an equivalent of seven 10-hour days which is probably enough to lower the strength 50% and this does not count the two minutes per jump when the entire parachute is exposed.

Dyed fabric, such as international orange, deteriorates faster than the natural (white).

The damage is identified by a yellowish color when viewed in daylight and a white fouroescence when viewed by ultraviolet light. Dyed components are usually excessively faded.

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The above was printed prior to the invention of zero-P nylon fabric, so I don't know if that changes anything...

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