RMURRAY 1 #26 May 8, 2004 97 VX main 150-M reserve I upsized on the reserve from a 135-M when I saw a 120-M land overloaded - yikes. I would have a PD143R if they were as cheap to get used. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjp 1 #27 May 8, 2004 Just bought all new. Container sized for: Main Sabre2 150. Reserve PD 143 Probably a very friendly side by side or bi-plane (knock on wood will never know) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #28 May 8, 2004 QuoteCan somebody give me a reason WHY they would jump a smaller reserve than their main? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back in the good old days - circa 1981 - the Pegasus 220 was the most popular main. Very few companies built square reserves and Para-Flite's Swift 180 reserve was the most popular. The Strato-Star 180 had been the most popular main the year before. Para-Flite had tried building a reserve version of the Strato-Star, but only sold a few. The logic was that people wanted the smallest possible reserve container and did not worry too much about the landings as they only planned to do straight in approaches under their reserves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CloudOnMyTongue 0 #29 May 8, 2004 main: 150 reserve: 143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stacy 0 #30 May 8, 2004 main: 136 reserve 126 flew just fine when i needed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #31 May 8, 2004 smart 135 or pdr 126 or another tempo 150 reserve and then like a 103 down to a 95 xbraced (velo or vx). lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #32 May 8, 2004 Techno 128 or PD126R, 135 or 126 or 120 main. Kinda what I have now ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #33 May 8, 2004 69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyinseivLP2 0 #34 May 8, 2004 Velocity 103 Tempo 150 is my current setup and I am happy with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #35 May 8, 2004 I won't jump a reserve smaller than I have actually test flown and I doubt I will ever load a reserve above 1.4. I don't have these reservations on the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites srg 0 #36 May 8, 2004 My thoughts: Reasons to make your reserve as large as possible: = You might be injured or unconsious. It would be nice to know that you might actually survive a landing without a flare or PLF. = Due to a bad spot, tricky winds, or some other emergency you might be forced to land somewhere that's not remotely swoopable. The closer you can come to one of those giant accuracy canopies the happier you'll be when you have to sink it in. Reasons not to super-size your reserve: = Wind penetration. If your reserve is too big you might have to sit on the ground if the windspeed is too high, even though your main would be fine with that wind. = Pack volume. Nobody likes carrying around a giant rig, and it can be difficult to find (or make) a container whose reserve tray is a lot larger than its main compartment. Reasons to make your reserve about the same size as your main: = Compatibility in a two-out situation. It seems like most people would prefer a nice, stable biplane rather than a side-by-side that might turn into a downplane on final. Of course, you can't cut away a biplane, so opinions might vary on this point. = Familiarity. If your reserve is drastically different than your main, you might be pretty rusty flying it when the time comes. This probably isn't a big issue if your reserve is large enough to be easy to fly, but it's probably a pretty serious issue if your reserve is smaller than your main. My main is a Spectre 210 and my reserve is a PD218R. I am currently demoing a copy of my reserve rigged as a main (something I heartily recommend). If I were ordering a new rig right now, I would probably bump my reserve up one size. Spencer "Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kevin922 0 #37 May 8, 2004 Wow when was that paradigm in place? I've never been in that situation (maybe when I was a student? I don't know).. my current rig has a hornet 135 main and a tempo 150 reserve, my next one will probably have a reserve of 135 and a main of 117ish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meatbomb 0 #38 May 8, 2004 I have just ordered a new Next, to fit a Crossfire2 169 and a Smart 175, with a view to downsizing the Xfire2 to 149 next year...I don't need to worry so much about two-out compatability, cos I don't jump a two-out device (AAD). (My other two rigs are a Fury 220/Laser-7 (227) and a Sabre 190/Tempo 210).--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #39 May 9, 2004 Quote69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. 69 Geez that's small, I have pillow cases bigger than that My current set up is a 150/150 When I eventually downsize, I'll porbaly get 132-135 and stay in the 143-150 reserve range, you cant beat real estateYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crutch 0 #40 May 9, 2004 Yeah, that is an easy one, before the time of zero-p fabric, 1:1 wing loading was very high. Nowadays, with the advent of zero-p, that is very docile. So....., most people loaded their reserves slightly higher for the smaller pack volume and rig size. Now the same holds true as there are very few zero-p reserves on the market, so most people still load the reserve slightly better than 1:1 (same reserve size as the old days), but they now load their mains at 1.5:1 or better. Answer your question? Oh by the way, 135 main, PDR-143blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #41 May 9, 2004 when I get my next container/canopies, it'll probably be 170 main and 176 reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #42 May 9, 2004 main: Sabre2 170. reserve: PDR 163. i think i'll stay with both in about the same size, so when i downsize to 150, i'll keep my PDR 163. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #43 May 9, 2004 QuoteWow when was that paradigm in place? (reserve smaller than main) The first square reserves were available in only one size (small). Round reserves also were effectively smaller than a square main. If you've been doing this a long time, it is likely you started with a 35 foot dia T-10, but the reserve was a 24 foot.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #44 May 9, 2004 There is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #45 May 10, 2004 215 ZP.Exe main....220 Smart Reserve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #46 May 10, 2004 >Can somebody give me a reason WHY they would jump a smaller > reserve than their main? It used to be common; it resulted in a smaller rig and the thinking was that you didn't have to land your reserve very often so you could deal with the additional risk. In addition, many manufacturers only offer container sizes with larger reserve than main compartments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #47 May 10, 2004 QuoteThere is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R. you're right, its 160 i dont know why i remembered 163... old age, i guess O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rainman 0 #48 May 10, 2004 My rig has a Merit 190 main, and a Techno 190 reserve. I am considering a 170 main (PD measurement, so nearly identical to PdF 190), but a smaller reserve is currently not an option. I have no reserve rides yet.Rainman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #49 May 10, 2004 My new rig is built for Reserve: 126 Main: 120 I still have a 135 main in there for now as I’m taking my time over deciding what main canopy I want and I’m happy enough to stay with the 135 until I can decide! Knowing me, this may take some time! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #50 May 10, 2004 hmm...new one tomorrow.... 150 main, 143 reserve.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. 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CloudOnMyTongue 0 #29 May 8, 2004 main: 150 reserve: 143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #30 May 8, 2004 main: 136 reserve 126 flew just fine when i needed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #31 May 8, 2004 smart 135 or pdr 126 or another tempo 150 reserve and then like a 103 down to a 95 xbraced (velo or vx). lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #32 May 8, 2004 Techno 128 or PD126R, 135 or 126 or 120 main. Kinda what I have now ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #33 May 8, 2004 69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyinseivLP2 0 #34 May 8, 2004 Velocity 103 Tempo 150 is my current setup and I am happy with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #35 May 8, 2004 I won't jump a reserve smaller than I have actually test flown and I doubt I will ever load a reserve above 1.4. I don't have these reservations on the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites srg 0 #36 May 8, 2004 My thoughts: Reasons to make your reserve as large as possible: = You might be injured or unconsious. It would be nice to know that you might actually survive a landing without a flare or PLF. = Due to a bad spot, tricky winds, or some other emergency you might be forced to land somewhere that's not remotely swoopable. The closer you can come to one of those giant accuracy canopies the happier you'll be when you have to sink it in. Reasons not to super-size your reserve: = Wind penetration. If your reserve is too big you might have to sit on the ground if the windspeed is too high, even though your main would be fine with that wind. = Pack volume. Nobody likes carrying around a giant rig, and it can be difficult to find (or make) a container whose reserve tray is a lot larger than its main compartment. Reasons to make your reserve about the same size as your main: = Compatibility in a two-out situation. It seems like most people would prefer a nice, stable biplane rather than a side-by-side that might turn into a downplane on final. Of course, you can't cut away a biplane, so opinions might vary on this point. = Familiarity. If your reserve is drastically different than your main, you might be pretty rusty flying it when the time comes. This probably isn't a big issue if your reserve is large enough to be easy to fly, but it's probably a pretty serious issue if your reserve is smaller than your main. My main is a Spectre 210 and my reserve is a PD218R. I am currently demoing a copy of my reserve rigged as a main (something I heartily recommend). If I were ordering a new rig right now, I would probably bump my reserve up one size. Spencer "Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kevin922 0 #37 May 8, 2004 Wow when was that paradigm in place? I've never been in that situation (maybe when I was a student? I don't know).. my current rig has a hornet 135 main and a tempo 150 reserve, my next one will probably have a reserve of 135 and a main of 117ish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meatbomb 0 #38 May 8, 2004 I have just ordered a new Next, to fit a Crossfire2 169 and a Smart 175, with a view to downsizing the Xfire2 to 149 next year...I don't need to worry so much about two-out compatability, cos I don't jump a two-out device (AAD). (My other two rigs are a Fury 220/Laser-7 (227) and a Sabre 190/Tempo 210).--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #39 May 9, 2004 Quote69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. 69 Geez that's small, I have pillow cases bigger than that My current set up is a 150/150 When I eventually downsize, I'll porbaly get 132-135 and stay in the 143-150 reserve range, you cant beat real estateYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crutch 0 #40 May 9, 2004 Yeah, that is an easy one, before the time of zero-p fabric, 1:1 wing loading was very high. Nowadays, with the advent of zero-p, that is very docile. So....., most people loaded their reserves slightly higher for the smaller pack volume and rig size. Now the same holds true as there are very few zero-p reserves on the market, so most people still load the reserve slightly better than 1:1 (same reserve size as the old days), but they now load their mains at 1.5:1 or better. Answer your question? Oh by the way, 135 main, PDR-143blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #41 May 9, 2004 when I get my next container/canopies, it'll probably be 170 main and 176 reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #42 May 9, 2004 main: Sabre2 170. reserve: PDR 163. i think i'll stay with both in about the same size, so when i downsize to 150, i'll keep my PDR 163. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #43 May 9, 2004 QuoteWow when was that paradigm in place? (reserve smaller than main) The first square reserves were available in only one size (small). Round reserves also were effectively smaller than a square main. If you've been doing this a long time, it is likely you started with a 35 foot dia T-10, but the reserve was a 24 foot.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #44 May 9, 2004 There is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #45 May 10, 2004 215 ZP.Exe main....220 Smart Reserve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #46 May 10, 2004 >Can somebody give me a reason WHY they would jump a smaller > reserve than their main? It used to be common; it resulted in a smaller rig and the thinking was that you didn't have to land your reserve very often so you could deal with the additional risk. In addition, many manufacturers only offer container sizes with larger reserve than main compartments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #47 May 10, 2004 QuoteThere is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R. you're right, its 160 i dont know why i remembered 163... old age, i guess O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rainman 0 #48 May 10, 2004 My rig has a Merit 190 main, and a Techno 190 reserve. I am considering a 170 main (PD measurement, so nearly identical to PdF 190), but a smaller reserve is currently not an option. I have no reserve rides yet.Rainman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #49 May 10, 2004 My new rig is built for Reserve: 126 Main: 120 I still have a 135 main in there for now as I’m taking my time over deciding what main canopy I want and I’m happy enough to stay with the 135 until I can decide! Knowing me, this may take some time! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #50 May 10, 2004 hmm...new one tomorrow.... 150 main, 143 reserve.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. 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skygod7777 0 #31 May 8, 2004 smart 135 or pdr 126 or another tempo 150 reserve and then like a 103 down to a 95 xbraced (velo or vx). lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #32 May 8, 2004 Techno 128 or PD126R, 135 or 126 or 120 main. Kinda what I have now ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #33 May 8, 2004 69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #34 May 8, 2004 Velocity 103 Tempo 150 is my current setup and I am happy with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #35 May 8, 2004 I won't jump a reserve smaller than I have actually test flown and I doubt I will ever load a reserve above 1.4. I don't have these reservations on the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
srg 0 #36 May 8, 2004 My thoughts: Reasons to make your reserve as large as possible: = You might be injured or unconsious. It would be nice to know that you might actually survive a landing without a flare or PLF. = Due to a bad spot, tricky winds, or some other emergency you might be forced to land somewhere that's not remotely swoopable. The closer you can come to one of those giant accuracy canopies the happier you'll be when you have to sink it in. Reasons not to super-size your reserve: = Wind penetration. If your reserve is too big you might have to sit on the ground if the windspeed is too high, even though your main would be fine with that wind. = Pack volume. Nobody likes carrying around a giant rig, and it can be difficult to find (or make) a container whose reserve tray is a lot larger than its main compartment. Reasons to make your reserve about the same size as your main: = Compatibility in a two-out situation. It seems like most people would prefer a nice, stable biplane rather than a side-by-side that might turn into a downplane on final. Of course, you can't cut away a biplane, so opinions might vary on this point. = Familiarity. If your reserve is drastically different than your main, you might be pretty rusty flying it when the time comes. This probably isn't a big issue if your reserve is large enough to be easy to fly, but it's probably a pretty serious issue if your reserve is smaller than your main. My main is a Spectre 210 and my reserve is a PD218R. I am currently demoing a copy of my reserve rigged as a main (something I heartily recommend). If I were ordering a new rig right now, I would probably bump my reserve up one size. Spencer "Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #37 May 8, 2004 Wow when was that paradigm in place? I've never been in that situation (maybe when I was a student? I don't know).. my current rig has a hornet 135 main and a tempo 150 reserve, my next one will probably have a reserve of 135 and a main of 117ish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #38 May 8, 2004 I have just ordered a new Next, to fit a Crossfire2 169 and a Smart 175, with a view to downsizing the Xfire2 to 149 next year...I don't need to worry so much about two-out compatability, cos I don't jump a two-out device (AAD). (My other two rigs are a Fury 220/Laser-7 (227) and a Sabre 190/Tempo 210).--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #39 May 9, 2004 Quote69 main. 106-113 reserve. i'm wee. 69 Geez that's small, I have pillow cases bigger than that My current set up is a 150/150 When I eventually downsize, I'll porbaly get 132-135 and stay in the 143-150 reserve range, you cant beat real estateYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #40 May 9, 2004 Yeah, that is an easy one, before the time of zero-p fabric, 1:1 wing loading was very high. Nowadays, with the advent of zero-p, that is very docile. So....., most people loaded their reserves slightly higher for the smaller pack volume and rig size. Now the same holds true as there are very few zero-p reserves on the market, so most people still load the reserve slightly better than 1:1 (same reserve size as the old days), but they now load their mains at 1.5:1 or better. Answer your question? Oh by the way, 135 main, PDR-143blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #41 May 9, 2004 when I get my next container/canopies, it'll probably be 170 main and 176 reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #42 May 9, 2004 main: Sabre2 170. reserve: PDR 163. i think i'll stay with both in about the same size, so when i downsize to 150, i'll keep my PDR 163. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #43 May 9, 2004 QuoteWow when was that paradigm in place? (reserve smaller than main) The first square reserves were available in only one size (small). Round reserves also were effectively smaller than a square main. If you've been doing this a long time, it is likely you started with a 35 foot dia T-10, but the reserve was a 24 foot.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #44 May 9, 2004 There is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #45 May 10, 2004 215 ZP.Exe main....220 Smart Reserve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #46 May 10, 2004 >Can somebody give me a reason WHY they would jump a smaller > reserve than their main? It used to be common; it resulted in a smaller rig and the thinking was that you didn't have to land your reserve very often so you could deal with the additional risk. In addition, many manufacturers only offer container sizes with larger reserve than main compartments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #47 May 10, 2004 QuoteThere is no PD163R. There is a 160R or a 143R. you're right, its 160 i dont know why i remembered 163... old age, i guess O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rainman 0 #48 May 10, 2004 My rig has a Merit 190 main, and a Techno 190 reserve. I am considering a 170 main (PD measurement, so nearly identical to PdF 190), but a smaller reserve is currently not an option. I have no reserve rides yet.Rainman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #49 May 10, 2004 My new rig is built for Reserve: 126 Main: 120 I still have a 135 main in there for now as I’m taking my time over deciding what main canopy I want and I’m happy enough to stay with the 135 until I can decide! Knowing me, this may take some time! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #50 May 10, 2004 hmm...new one tomorrow.... 150 main, 143 reserve.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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