flyinchicken 0 #1 April 8, 2004 Hmmm was just checking out a new rig. Listed as an option is "triple risers"? anyone who can fill me in on what that is? I have a funny feeling this is not something I want on my boyfriends first rig.... but am curious as to what they are and how they work. "Diligent observation leads to pure abstraction". Lari Pittman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 April 8, 2004 Trips are risers that have 3 risers, two hold the canopy like normal risers, but basically the 3rd riser is a special riser that holds the guide ring for the control line (brake line). Some swoopers used them, it was sort of a big thing a few years ago. Not a lot of folks like them anymore. For a first rig? Definately not.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #3 April 8, 2004 I used to love my triple risers. I started using them at jump 30. However I changed back to standard risers recently because it's easier perform rear riser landings. Keep in mind if to use triple risers properly, the slider must be pulled down. Personally I'd recommend against them. Chances are he will learn to swoop, and then eventually he'll want to land using the rear risers so he might as well stick with standard.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #4 April 8, 2004 I just got a pair of them for my rig (they were free.) I had them converted to regular risers after a few jumps. I really didn't like them. I don't think it would be worth the extra cost. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auryn 0 #5 April 8, 2004 QuoteHmmm was just checking out a new rig. Listed as an option is "triple risers"? anyone who can fill me in on what that is? I have a funny feeling this is not something I want on my boyfriends first rig.... but am curious as to what they are and how they work. I jumped them for a bit and I highly recommend against them for a first rig especially. The extra riser on the steering line allows the control line to "float" side to side, resulting in unintentionally muted input to the canopy.. in other words, instead of the control input going to the canopy, he could accidentally be just moving the riser and line from side to side, doing little to nothing. additionally, the extra thickness of the riser can (w/ some sliders) make getting the slider past the top of the riser tough.. taking awareness away from the air. I accidentally unstowed a brake when fuddling w/ it once, and at 1.6:1 w/ my brakes trapped by the half pulled down slider, this was really uncool. a first rig IMHO should be as simple as possible to use. Blue Ones ! Bryan D27808 ps. they do look cool tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPA 0 #6 April 8, 2004 Quote Hmmm was just checking out a new rigQuoteI have a funny feeling this is not something I want on my boyfriends first rig You mean....? Man... I want a gf like that... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shodan75 0 #7 April 8, 2004 Thanks to all for the low down on the trips. Now we know what they are and know not to get them! They sound like they could be a head ache at times.....just one more thing to think about. Cheers!One must ensure that his or her spirit is never broken......Samurai Maxim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #8 April 8, 2004 I love my tripple risers. I have 2,000 jumps on them and have had only one problem with them...And it was cause I made them wrong, not the design. It took 5 min and they were back to being great. Some don't like them, I love mine. Not a good idea for a first rig though."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #9 April 8, 2004 QuoteThe extra riser on the steering line allows the control line to "float" side to side, resulting in unintentionally muted input to the canopy.. in other words, instead of the control input going to the canopy, he could accidentally be just moving the riser and line from side to side, doing little to nothing. It gives a better feel of the canopy due to the fact the control lines go almost directly from the tail to the toggle. On a regular set up the line has to go to the riser, then to the toggle. That lessens the amount of direct control. They are MORE responsive, not less...You just like the more restricted feeling. The only better way to have a more direct controll line would be have zoo toggles...And thats just not practical for skydiving."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 April 8, 2004 QuoteThey are MORE responsive, not less...You just like the more restricted feeling I like being able to use the guide ring to deflect my rear-risers. Sort of like the lame-man's rear-riser for swooping.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #11 April 9, 2004 QuoteIt gives a better feel of the canopy due to the fact the control lines go almost directly from the tail to the toggle. On a regular set up the line has to go to the riser, then to the toggle. That lessens the amount of direct control. I agree. Triples give you a great feel for what the canopy is doing. I love them...as long as you have one-piece lower control lines (a piece of line trapped into the control line makes the cat's eye, as opposed to a terminal loop and a length of line hanging off it). Otherwise, the cat's eye tends to snag on the guide ring...not a big deal as far as canopy control is concerned, you can still fly and land, it just feels a bit restrictive. On canopies that don't have continuous lower control lines, I simply replace them with continuous sets..but then, that's the advantage of being a rigger. To echo the sentiment already expressed, they are not a good idea on a first rig though... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #12 April 11, 2004 I've had them since jump 50, and I love them. I have very long arms, and steering feels less "cramped" to me using triple risers. I have jumped borrowed equipment and demo's with standars risers in between as well, so I have a frame of reference. You do have to be careful in packing and unstowing them. A wiseass at the DZ told me a couple of weeks ago that "none of the pro swoopers use them", but then again - I am not aiming to become a pro swooper. Rear risers have been no problem for me, I just keep the toggle in my hand and grab the rear riser if I want to. If anything, it's easier. -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #13 April 11, 2004 QuoteA wiseass at the DZ told me a couple of weeks ago that "none of the pro swoopers use them", but then again - I am not aiming to become a pro swooper. That's a fact, how does it make them a wiseass? QuoteRear risers have been no problem for me, I just keep the toggle in my hand and grab the rear riser if I want to. If anything, it's easier. Rear riser "flare" normal landings (broken break, etc) are very different from high performance rear riser landings (hence the changeover from some of the top competitors). It's only easier if you stay on them till you land, if not the "pop" from the transition back to toggles is quite inefficient and tricky. Triples are fine, as are "normal". It's all about what you (the pilot) wants/needs. For a new jumper though, I'm not entirely sure triples are a good place to start. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #14 April 12, 2004 QuoteThat's a fact, how does it make them a wiseass? Exactly - and I knew it as well. And I did not ask him, he came over to where I was packing and just volunteered it. It was superfluous information, the type usually dispensed by wiseasses . QuoteIt's only easier if you stay on them till you land, if not the "pop" from the transition back to toggles is quite inefficient and tricky. Agreed, but that will depend on many things. QuoteTriples are fine, as are "normal". It's all about what you (the pilot) wants/needs. For a new jumper though, I'm not entirely sure triples are a good place to start. Agreed again. I volunteered no opinion as to whether a new jumper should use them or not, myself not being an expert. I merely strove to give my version of the triple riser story. As jy wil, kan ek ook maar vokkof, my bek hou en in die hoek gaan staan -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #15 April 12, 2004 QuoteAs jy wil, kan ek ook maar vokkof, my bek hou en in die hoek gaan staan nee boet, dit sal nie nodig wees nie. Seriously, I was just wondering why you considered them a wiseass. I don't know the person or the context, but I'd assume that they genuinely thought they were giving you "new info" Quotemyself not being an expert. I merely strove to give my version of the triple riser story. No worries, my china. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #16 April 12, 2004 So, I have a question-- I have triple risers on my rig . . . a couple of people have suggested that I look into my rigger "tacking them down". My question is, why? I jumped them, and they didn't bother me. But I'm wise enough to know that I know nothing, so there it is . . . Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 April 12, 2004 QuoteSo, I have a question-- And I have a story-- But thats another time. QuoteI have triple risers on my rig . . . a couple of people have suggested that I look into my rigger "tacking them down". My question is, why? I jumped them, and they didn't bother me. But I'm wise enough to know that I know nothing, so there it is . . . I would not tack them down...If you want to get rid of them...get rid of them, don't just modify them. If you don't mind them, don't mind the folks telling you to get rid of them. Just realize that they can cause a problem in not stowed properly...Other than that its just preference."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
