billvon 3,100 #1 February 24, 2004 Let's say you are using a Skyhook, and you get a Square 1 demo canopy on risers with soft channels. You get a nasty spinner. You try to cut away but the cutaway handle is stuck, because the cables have gotten trapped in the soft riser channels. From what I understand of the Skyhook, this will prevent you from pulling the reserve, since the skyhook system wraps around one of the cutaway cables, and will not release until the release cable has been pulled free. Is this assumption correct? I've never tried the various deployment scenarios of the skyhook on the ground, so I've never tested this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 February 24, 2004 I've never seen a skyhook system! I thought the whole point of it being a hook was that you could deploy the reserve wihtout first cutting away and the hook would just unhook because of the direction of travel. Otherwise all you would need is a solid attachment point. You scenario only needs you to go straight to the reserve - there's no need for a spinner - just a lack of a cutaway. Surely this cant be true either as its such a common place scenario that it must have been accounted for. I've never seen a skyhook system! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #3 February 24, 2004 Okay, I'm sorry, but everytime I hear skyhook I want to laugh. When I was in the Marines and in the trades I would always send the new guys to go get me a sky hook. 99.9999% of the time they were so green they actually had no clue and would walk around asking people where the sky hook was. One guy actually asked so many people that the word got around and we kept him occupied for over 3 hours before letting him off the "HOOK". So now I must ask . . . and feel stupid later . . . is this for real? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 February 24, 2004 Actually, the reserve should work just like normal. Pull the reserve under canopy and it should give you a double out situation. The beauty of the system is that a cutaway is not needed for it to work as a normal reserve, but if the cutaway is pulled it tries to use the main as a PC for the reserve. If the skyhook fails to engage the RSL should work and still pull the reserve. Then you are just relying on the reserve PC to open the reserve. The break away action of the main will pull the pin and stay connected to the freebag bridle to provide the instant drag to deploy the reserve.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 February 24, 2004 QuoteSo now I must ask . . . and feel stupid later . . . is this for real? Yes, it's for real. The Skyhook is an additional safety feature offered on Relative Workshop products. A quick search in this forum should get you all the info on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 February 24, 2004 The skyhook would release, that's the point of the system, to let the reserve fire normally if needed. You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 February 24, 2004 QuoteFrom what I understand of the Skyhook, this will prevent you from pulling the reserve, since the skyhook system wraps around one of the cutaway cables, and will not release until the release cable has been pulled free. Negative Bill. The part that "wraps around one of the cutaway cables" is nothing more than a Collins lanyard. Same as on a tandem rig. The "hook" in the system disengages when the reserve pilot chute puts more tension on the reserve bridal than the RSL. You can think of it this way. As long as the RSL (conected to the canopy) is pulling with more force than the Reserve P/C the "hook" is engaged. If the reserve P/C "sudenly becomes more efficiant at tugging on the bridal than the malfunctioned main canopy the "hook" will release. If the main cannot be cutaway, the reserve P/C will be pulling on the bridal and the hook will disengage.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #8 February 24, 2004 QuoteA quick search in this forum should get you all the info on it. This is helpful (plus all the links on that page): http://relativeworkshop.com/products/pdt_skyhook.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #9 February 24, 2004 QuoteAs long as the RSL (conected to the canopy) is pulling with more force than the Reserve P/C the "hook" is engaged. If the reserve P/C "sudenly becomes more efficiant at tugging on the bridal than the malfunctioned main canopy the "hook" will release. If the main cannot be cutaway, the reserve P/C will be pulling on the bridal and the hook will disengage. Illustrations here: http://relativeworkshop.com/products/skyhook_mal.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #10 February 24, 2004 >You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 February 24, 2004 QuoteI'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. If you can get your hands on one, then it will make sense to you. It is wonderfully simple and it works. Call up Egon at RWS to see if he can send you something to play with.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #12 February 24, 2004 The "Skyhook" itself is a small metal fitting which is sewn to the reserve bridle. When you pull your reserve in response to a main container total, the Skyhook automatically disconnects itself from the Skyhook Landard. The Skyhook then leaves with the freebag bridle. All that is left of the system in your reserve container, is one end of the 6" long Skyhook Lanyard, which is connected to the RSL, which isn't going anywhere because you have a main total. The Collins' lanyard connection between the RSL and the left (non-RSL) riser's 3-ring release cable doesn't come into play at all in this scenario. PS. When I read this reply it seems overly complicated...It really isn't. All you have to know, is that the Skyhook system automatically handles every scenario I, or anyone else who has talked to me about it, has ever come up with. I'm sure nothing I make will ever be perfect, but after one year....so far so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #13 February 24, 2004 Quote>You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. This is my understanding of the pertinent engineering: The skyhook has a little house it lives in near the top of the reserve container. The skyhook in basically a block with a spur all attached to the reserve PC bridle. The skyhook lanyard connects from the main riser to the spur on the skyhook device, and because of the shape and installed direction of the spur, if the skyhook lanyard remains attached to the main riser and the reserve PC is deployed, the reserve PC bridle will follow the PC and the skyhook's spur will slip out of the skyhook lanyard end. This makes it important to have the skyhook device installed in the correct orientation - so the skyhook lanyard will not tow the reserve PC in the situation you described. (I imagine the purpose of retaining the skyhook device in its little "house" is to ensure correct orientation of the operative bits at emergency time.) -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #14 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, any plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers?Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Miami 0 #15 February 24, 2004 Here is the "owners manual" to the skyhook. I really got a good idea of exactly how good the skyhook works here, but it is way toward the end and I couldn't figure out how to skip ahead without just clicking through the 229 slides. Good reading though if you are interested.Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #16 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #17 February 24, 2004 Quoteany plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers? It would have to be certified by the manufacturer of the container, most probably through additional TSO testing.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #18 February 24, 2004 I don't know about the most violent canopy spin but I got to do an intentional with a skyhook on a stiletto as a main (probably the most twitchy on the toggles) . Un-stow one toggle, put a few line twists in it and it will take you for a wild ride. Reserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #19 February 24, 2004 Scott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #20 February 24, 2004 QuoteReserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go. I don't think that's the reason you has no line twists. There is no reason to think that a chop and use of and RSL from a spinning canopy must produce linetwists. If you chop from a spinning mal you travel out from the canopy. Reserve should deploy as normal. Line twists in this scenario come from jumpers trying to get "stable" i.e. belly to earth. There is no reason to. Think about it. You're on your back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) while trying to get belly to earth. Line twist. Now think about this. You're on you back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) but DON'T try to flip over right away. The reserve P/C goes back the way you came from and the reserve opens normaly and on heading.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #21 February 24, 2004 QuoteScott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists. I think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so. The test jumper was Louis Palomares, and the canopy was a saber 107. For test jumps for Rws the only Velocity I can think of used was my Ve96. The cool thing they did do , was hook the saber 107 up backwards and buried a toggle. I shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked, and one thing that most peope dont know, is the Reserves most of the time were regular pro packs. When I jumped the skyhook I tried to get as unstable as possible while cutting away, it opened perfectly, it actually turned me straight as I was spinning. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #22 February 24, 2004 QuoteI shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked Can you upload them somewhere (maybe skydivingmovies.com) ? If it looks so good, I am sure RWS would not mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 February 24, 2004 I'll ask, it would be unethical for me to post video I shot without their concent, but I beleive there is a video on their website, and if you look at this video Im on there cutting away my ve 96 http://www.cajunchickens.com/files/Sw1-1.wmv Its about 3/4 of the way through, you can tell it, because its the only intentional cutaway. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so Then the dealer/rep is wrong that told me, thus I am wrong. Thankyou for clearing me up.I have done a cutaway with a skyhook demo rig at the AOT boogie. It was amazing, it basically felt a bit like a trapdoor on a tandem, and there it was, a reserve.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #25 February 25, 2004 QuoteHi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies Ian ian.. i did a test jumpo with this system. i think it was a sabre 2 98. or somwhere around that size it was definatly a sub 100... anywyas i unstowed a toggle and let it do 3-4 reveloutions before i chopped and the pd 106 opened so fast i didnt even relize i switched canopies..... ok slight exageration.. but it was quick and with not even 1/2 line twist... if i could get this system in my container i would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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skydiverek 63 #9 February 24, 2004 QuoteAs long as the RSL (conected to the canopy) is pulling with more force than the Reserve P/C the "hook" is engaged. If the reserve P/C "sudenly becomes more efficiant at tugging on the bridal than the malfunctioned main canopy the "hook" will release. If the main cannot be cutaway, the reserve P/C will be pulling on the bridal and the hook will disengage. Illustrations here: http://relativeworkshop.com/products/skyhook_mal.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #10 February 24, 2004 >You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 February 24, 2004 QuoteI'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. If you can get your hands on one, then it will make sense to you. It is wonderfully simple and it works. Call up Egon at RWS to see if he can send you something to play with.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #12 February 24, 2004 The "Skyhook" itself is a small metal fitting which is sewn to the reserve bridle. When you pull your reserve in response to a main container total, the Skyhook automatically disconnects itself from the Skyhook Landard. The Skyhook then leaves with the freebag bridle. All that is left of the system in your reserve container, is one end of the 6" long Skyhook Lanyard, which is connected to the RSL, which isn't going anywhere because you have a main total. The Collins' lanyard connection between the RSL and the left (non-RSL) riser's 3-ring release cable doesn't come into play at all in this scenario. PS. When I read this reply it seems overly complicated...It really isn't. All you have to know, is that the Skyhook system automatically handles every scenario I, or anyone else who has talked to me about it, has ever come up with. I'm sure nothing I make will ever be perfect, but after one year....so far so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #13 February 24, 2004 Quote>You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. This is my understanding of the pertinent engineering: The skyhook has a little house it lives in near the top of the reserve container. The skyhook in basically a block with a spur all attached to the reserve PC bridle. The skyhook lanyard connects from the main riser to the spur on the skyhook device, and because of the shape and installed direction of the spur, if the skyhook lanyard remains attached to the main riser and the reserve PC is deployed, the reserve PC bridle will follow the PC and the skyhook's spur will slip out of the skyhook lanyard end. This makes it important to have the skyhook device installed in the correct orientation - so the skyhook lanyard will not tow the reserve PC in the situation you described. (I imagine the purpose of retaining the skyhook device in its little "house" is to ensure correct orientation of the operative bits at emergency time.) -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #14 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, any plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers?Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Miami 0 #15 February 24, 2004 Here is the "owners manual" to the skyhook. I really got a good idea of exactly how good the skyhook works here, but it is way toward the end and I couldn't figure out how to skip ahead without just clicking through the 229 slides. Good reading though if you are interested.Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #16 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #17 February 24, 2004 Quoteany plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers? It would have to be certified by the manufacturer of the container, most probably through additional TSO testing.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #18 February 24, 2004 I don't know about the most violent canopy spin but I got to do an intentional with a skyhook on a stiletto as a main (probably the most twitchy on the toggles) . Un-stow one toggle, put a few line twists in it and it will take you for a wild ride. Reserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #19 February 24, 2004 Scott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #20 February 24, 2004 QuoteReserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go. I don't think that's the reason you has no line twists. There is no reason to think that a chop and use of and RSL from a spinning canopy must produce linetwists. If you chop from a spinning mal you travel out from the canopy. Reserve should deploy as normal. Line twists in this scenario come from jumpers trying to get "stable" i.e. belly to earth. There is no reason to. Think about it. You're on your back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) while trying to get belly to earth. Line twist. Now think about this. You're on you back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) but DON'T try to flip over right away. The reserve P/C goes back the way you came from and the reserve opens normaly and on heading.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #21 February 24, 2004 QuoteScott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists. I think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so. The test jumper was Louis Palomares, and the canopy was a saber 107. For test jumps for Rws the only Velocity I can think of used was my Ve96. The cool thing they did do , was hook the saber 107 up backwards and buried a toggle. I shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked, and one thing that most peope dont know, is the Reserves most of the time were regular pro packs. When I jumped the skyhook I tried to get as unstable as possible while cutting away, it opened perfectly, it actually turned me straight as I was spinning. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #22 February 24, 2004 QuoteI shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked Can you upload them somewhere (maybe skydivingmovies.com) ? If it looks so good, I am sure RWS would not mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 February 24, 2004 I'll ask, it would be unethical for me to post video I shot without their concent, but I beleive there is a video on their website, and if you look at this video Im on there cutting away my ve 96 http://www.cajunchickens.com/files/Sw1-1.wmv Its about 3/4 of the way through, you can tell it, because its the only intentional cutaway. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so Then the dealer/rep is wrong that told me, thus I am wrong. Thankyou for clearing me up.I have done a cutaway with a skyhook demo rig at the AOT boogie. It was amazing, it basically felt a bit like a trapdoor on a tandem, and there it was, a reserve.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #25 February 25, 2004 QuoteHi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies Ian ian.. i did a test jumpo with this system. i think it was a sabre 2 98. or somwhere around that size it was definatly a sub 100... anywyas i unstowed a toggle and let it do 3-4 reveloutions before i chopped and the pd 106 opened so fast i didnt even relize i switched canopies..... ok slight exageration.. but it was quick and with not even 1/2 line twist... if i could get this system in my container i would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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billvon 3,100 #10 February 24, 2004 >You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 February 24, 2004 QuoteI'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. If you can get your hands on one, then it will make sense to you. It is wonderfully simple and it works. Call up Egon at RWS to see if he can send you something to play with.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #12 February 24, 2004 The "Skyhook" itself is a small metal fitting which is sewn to the reserve bridle. When you pull your reserve in response to a main container total, the Skyhook automatically disconnects itself from the Skyhook Landard. The Skyhook then leaves with the freebag bridle. All that is left of the system in your reserve container, is one end of the 6" long Skyhook Lanyard, which is connected to the RSL, which isn't going anywhere because you have a main total. The Collins' lanyard connection between the RSL and the left (non-RSL) riser's 3-ring release cable doesn't come into play at all in this scenario. PS. When I read this reply it seems overly complicated...It really isn't. All you have to know, is that the Skyhook system automatically handles every scenario I, or anyone else who has talked to me about it, has ever come up with. I'm sure nothing I make will ever be perfect, but after one year....so far so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #13 February 24, 2004 Quote>You need to get your hands on a rig with a skyhook and repack it >or something, then I bet it would make total sense to you. Probably. I can see how you can get the reserve pin out via the cable, I'm just missing how the skyhook assembly can remain attached to the rig and not hinder reserve deployment. This is my understanding of the pertinent engineering: The skyhook has a little house it lives in near the top of the reserve container. The skyhook in basically a block with a spur all attached to the reserve PC bridle. The skyhook lanyard connects from the main riser to the spur on the skyhook device, and because of the shape and installed direction of the spur, if the skyhook lanyard remains attached to the main riser and the reserve PC is deployed, the reserve PC bridle will follow the PC and the skyhook's spur will slip out of the skyhook lanyard end. This makes it important to have the skyhook device installed in the correct orientation - so the skyhook lanyard will not tow the reserve PC in the situation you described. (I imagine the purpose of retaining the skyhook device in its little "house" is to ensure correct orientation of the operative bits at emergency time.) -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #14 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, any plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers?Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #15 February 24, 2004 Here is the "owners manual" to the skyhook. I really got a good idea of exactly how good the skyhook works here, but it is way toward the end and I couldn't figure out how to skip ahead without just clicking through the 229 slides. Good reading though if you are interested.Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #16 February 24, 2004 Hi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 February 24, 2004 Quoteany plans on selling the skh independenlty so riggers can install it in other containers? It would have to be certified by the manufacturer of the container, most probably through additional TSO testing.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #18 February 24, 2004 I don't know about the most violent canopy spin but I got to do an intentional with a skyhook on a stiletto as a main (probably the most twitchy on the toggles) . Un-stow one toggle, put a few line twists in it and it will take you for a wild ride. Reserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 February 24, 2004 Scott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #20 February 24, 2004 QuoteReserve opened with no twists. The reason is that the main canopy keeps tension on the lines until the freebag lets go. I don't think that's the reason you has no line twists. There is no reason to think that a chop and use of and RSL from a spinning canopy must produce linetwists. If you chop from a spinning mal you travel out from the canopy. Reserve should deploy as normal. Line twists in this scenario come from jumpers trying to get "stable" i.e. belly to earth. There is no reason to. Think about it. You're on your back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) while trying to get belly to earth. Line twist. Now think about this. You're on you back. You chop and pull your reserve (the RSL beat you) but DON'T try to flip over right away. The reserve P/C goes back the way you came from and the reserve opens normaly and on heading.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #21 February 24, 2004 QuoteScott Miller did some test jumps with a Skyhook. They took a velocity, unstowed a brake, packed it, spun the bag a few times then put it in the container and jumped it. The reserve opened without any linetwists. I think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so. The test jumper was Louis Palomares, and the canopy was a saber 107. For test jumps for Rws the only Velocity I can think of used was my Ve96. The cool thing they did do , was hook the saber 107 up backwards and buried a toggle. I shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked, and one thing that most peope dont know, is the Reserves most of the time were regular pro packs. When I jumped the skyhook I tried to get as unstable as possible while cutting away, it opened perfectly, it actually turned me straight as I was spinning. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #22 February 24, 2004 QuoteI shot video of a bunch of test jumps it always amazed me how fast it worked Can you upload them somewhere (maybe skydivingmovies.com) ? If it looks so good, I am sure RWS would not mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 February 24, 2004 I'll ask, it would be unethical for me to post video I shot without their concent, but I beleive there is a video on their website, and if you look at this video Im on there cutting away my ve 96 http://www.cajunchickens.com/files/Sw1-1.wmv Its about 3/4 of the way through, you can tell it, because its the only intentional cutaway. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so Then the dealer/rep is wrong that told me, thus I am wrong. Thankyou for clearing me up.I have done a cutaway with a skyhook demo rig at the AOT boogie. It was amazing, it basically felt a bit like a trapdoor on a tandem, and there it was, a reserve.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #25 February 25, 2004 QuoteHi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies Ian ian.. i did a test jumpo with this system. i think it was a sabre 2 98. or somwhere around that size it was definatly a sub 100... anywyas i unstowed a toggle and let it do 3-4 reveloutions before i chopped and the pd 106 opened so fast i didnt even relize i switched canopies..... ok slight exageration.. but it was quick and with not even 1/2 line twist... if i could get this system in my container i would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Rdutch 0 #23 February 24, 2004 I'll ask, it would be unethical for me to post video I shot without their concent, but I beleive there is a video on their website, and if you look at this video Im on there cutting away my ve 96 http://www.cajunchickens.com/files/Sw1-1.wmv Its about 3/4 of the way through, you can tell it, because its the only intentional cutaway. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think Scott Miller has never jumped a skyhook, I might be wrong he might have tried it once, but I dont think so Then the dealer/rep is wrong that told me, thus I am wrong. Thankyou for clearing me up.I have done a cutaway with a skyhook demo rig at the AOT boogie. It was amazing, it basically felt a bit like a trapdoor on a tandem, and there it was, a reserve.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #25 February 25, 2004 QuoteHi Bill, How does the skyhook perform when used in the most violent canopy spin sceanrio you guys could come up with (along the lines of an 84 or smaller really outta control)? Would the reserve would deploy in some serious twisties too or are they significantly less because of time to deployment? Sorry if this has all been asked before, I'm just trying to find out a little more regarding the product. Thanks for the info. Blue skies Ian ian.. i did a test jumpo with this system. i think it was a sabre 2 98. or somwhere around that size it was definatly a sub 100... anywyas i unstowed a toggle and let it do 3-4 reveloutions before i chopped and the pd 106 opened so fast i didnt even relize i switched canopies..... ok slight exageration.. but it was quick and with not even 1/2 line twist... if i could get this system in my container i would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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