nose rolling on a tandem reserve? (sigma's)

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Outa curiousity, do any of you out there do this? It's in the vector manuel, and on the their packing VHS. It caught me off gaurd, since I had never heard of it, and have never done it. I called a rigger buddy, the guy that was maintaning the gear that I was working on and he agreed to rolling the nose. It still sounds sorta odd, but I wanted some input from others. BTW, it was a sigma tandem.....

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Sure, it should assist in making a tandem terminal reserve opening comfortable. I've done it on the few Vector2 tandems I've assisted in packing.

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[riggerrob 643]

Rolling the nose is correct as per the Tandem Vector II manual and I think it contains the same PD 360 reserve as the Sigma.

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When I learned to pack tandem reserves (RWS) I was taught to roll the nose...
And, it does say to do so.
I think it's more a matter of what dude said up above...comfort... little extra effort to make sure the reserve doesn't blow up at terminal...

[riggerrob 643]

linestretch,
If you think rolling the nose on a PD 360 tandem reserve is weird, you are going to totally freak when you see the side/flop/roll pack used on Strong tandem reserves.

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linestretch,
If you think rolling the nose on a PD 360 tandem reserve is weird, you are going to totally freak when you see the side/flop/roll pack used on Strong tandem reserves.

I'm a rigger, but have never done repacks on tandem gear. I'm gonna get a manual for the strong cause i would like to see what you're talking about. I've had a terminal reserve ride on a strong so i guess i'm just extra curious on how the reserve is packed.

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without a doubt, that is an odd method of packing. I've only done a few, and each time, it strikes me as strange. I did have a terminal/drogueless opening on a strong, and it hurt pretty bad.

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[riggerrob 643]

Like you guys I also have one terminal opening on a Strong tandem reserve. Saw stars!
The reserve packing method recommended by Strong for their F-111 canopies vaguely reminds me of a method I tried while trying to soften the openings on my Strato-Cloud.
Eventually I went to a full roll-pack to get that fine old accuracy machine to open soft (i.e. Lay Strato-Cloud on its side. Roll nose tightly all the way back to the B lines, then roll the tail tightly all the way to the C lines, stuff slider between stabilizers, then roll some more).

[rushmc 23]

You are right about the Strong Tandem reserve!!! I have done 4 of them and I still will not do one without being watched and having some one VERY familiar with that pack job right there to help me. I am a rigger and I have not been able to get comfortable doing them yet. (...and I will keep getting help until I am comfortable....) Hopefully it will make sense to me some day soon.

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I feel the same way... The dz I'm at this season only jumps strong and I've not packed one of their reserves yet... and I'm not packing one without supervision. Maybe two or three or four. Until I feel confident.

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linestretch,
If you think rolling the nose on a PD 360 tandem reserve is weird, you are going to totally freak when you see the side/flop/roll pack used on Strong tandem reserves.

Is this a new thing? It's been a little over two years since I packed a Dual Hawk, but as I recall the manual simply mandated a flat pack.

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nothing has changed. It's just different from the way most people pack, or pack reserves for that matter.

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linestretch,
If you think rolling the nose on a PD 360 tandem reserve is weird, you are going to totally freak when you see the side/flop/roll pack used on Strong tandem reserves.

Is this a new thing? It's been a little over two years since I packed a Dual Hawk, but as I recall the manual simply mandated a flat pack.

-Blind

Nope, not new, it's still a side/flop/roll but due to the fact that the loops are on the side flaps and it's an F-111 freebag, it's still pretty simple.

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Outa curiousity, do any of you out there do this? It's in the vector manuel, and on the their packing VHS. It caught me off gaurd, since I had never heard of it, and have never done it. I called a rigger buddy, the guy that was maintaning the gear that I was working on and he agreed to rolling the nose. It still sounds sorta odd, but I wanted some input from others. BTW, it was a sigma tandem.....

J.J.
It has been in the manual since I bought my first tandem rig back in 94 and is still in there and applicable to the Sigma. However, rolling the nose make it kind of difficult to get the proper taper on the container while closing. You really need to fill the bottom corners. In my conversations w/ Niklas who used to work there, he said to just pro-pack it. I plan on contacting RWS and trying to get that in writing because it's obviously a huge variation on their manual.

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You really need to fill the bottom corners.

I leave some folded canopy sticking out of the mouth of the bag intentionally, rather than working all of the folds into the free bag, which fills the corners of the container nicely.

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