KolinskyDC 0 #1 February 20, 2004 Where do I get them and what is the best size to use? I have a Sabre 210, don't know if that makes a difference. Is this something I can go buy at Staples or Home Depot or do I have to order them? Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #2 February 20, 2004 Does your home DZ have them? PM me and I'll send you some in the mail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #3 February 20, 2004 http://www.jumpshack.com/webcatalog/default.asp?CategoryID=44&SectionID=PARTPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 February 20, 2004 Most gear stores will sell you a box big enough to last a year or 2 for about $8. Or your DZ may provide them.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #5 February 20, 2004 Do you know who makes the black 'hi-brid' stow bands? I don't know the correct name for them. They are rather new on the market. Thanks, Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boxingrrl 0 #6 February 22, 2004 QuoteDo you know who makes the black 'hi-brid' stow bands? I don't know the correct name for them. You mean "bag lock bands"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livnbored 0 #7 February 22, 2004 QuoteDo you know who makes the black 'hi-brid' stow bands? I don't know the correct name for them. They are rather new on the market. There is a thread from just in January... Ralph Ponce made the Skybands (black "bag lock" bands) as mentioned. But there is speculation as to whether they are being made anymore. Super bands are from Aerodyne. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 February 22, 2004 Thanks! I had a 'brain-fart' and couldn't think of it. I appreciate your response. I had a jumper ask me about them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 February 22, 2004 QuoteYou mean "bag lock bands"? I think I'll call regular rubber bands plain ol bag lock bands....as those are the only things I saw cause a bag lock.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcorenaldo 0 #10 April 13, 2004 I was told to steer clear and stick with rubber bands!The planet is yours, the planet is ours, the planet is red. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #11 April 14, 2004 It's preference. There's are a lot of myth and FUD arguments about each type of stow. Therefore, the discussion of it will cause a heated debate :> -Rory QuoteI was told to steer clear and stick with rubber bands! You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #12 April 14, 2004 I'm sticking with rubber bands until the berger bag is standard. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #13 April 14, 2004 Hmmmm..............been using them for over two years, never had a problem and I don't have to change them out near as often as mil-spec rubber bands. I have only heard of them causing bag locks when they are double stowed or used on the locking stows. To each his own I guess "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #14 April 15, 2004 QuoteYou mean "bag lock bands"? Robin, The conventional/mil-spec bands break easier, that is certainly true, and one can think of scenarios where that is important to prevent a bag lock. But don't you have a safety stow on your reserve freebag? It is not designed to break in the event it does not slide off as intended. I make my own tube stows and use them for the first 2 of 4 locking stows. Why? Because normal bands are much more likely to break before you want them to, especially the first locking stows that often get stretched a lot. If my middle 2 locking stows break, the canopy would certainly be prematurely dumped out of the bag on deployment=bad news. The next time you notice that a locking stow has already broken as you are packing, ask yourself if you think it broke after deployment, or maybe while it was in the container, or while the bag was being accelerated out of the container (when under the most stress-and most important time it not break). Considering the failure mode and effect, I'll choose a strong band for the important locking stows, and stow my lines neatly. CliffPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 5 #15 April 15, 2004 I've been using Ralph's Skybands for 400 jumps or more so far. No problems, and they do last much longer.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #16 April 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou mean "bag lock bands"? I think I'll call regular rubber bands plain ol bag lock bands....as those are the only things I saw cause a bag lock.... In 28+ years I have yet to see a bag log caused by stow bands. A hand deploy P/C produces over 100 pounds of drag. Take any type of stow band you want, double it and see if you can pick up 100 pounds with it. As Cliff posted, your reserve has locking stows made of 1/8" shock cord. Any bag lock I have seen was caused by the lines looping around the bag or a remaining stow. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #17 April 16, 2004 Pardon me, what I should have said is that you can get a bag lock from any type of stow band. when I said that rubber bands caused them I didn't necesarily mean it that way. as I said I have seen three bag locks...every single one was with regular rubber bands caused by eather poor packing or bad luck or a bit of both. I use tube stowes and super bands with out issue...but I'm anal about how I stow my lines.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 October 25, 2004 I did a search to find this thread. I knew that super bands had been discussed at length and after today I thought it proper to throw in my experience. Had my first ( beer) chop today. Bag lock which looked to be my packing error and it maybe did not clear because of super bands. It appeared that I caught a single loop of line from the previous stow on the same side and pulled it into the next stow. This caused a lock (from the two stows being caught on each other). The next question that comes to me is would another type of rubber band, a normal MilSpec type, have broken and cleared? Either way this is user error I know, but I will wonder about it either way until I make my decision as to whether or I will use, or not use Super Bands from now on. Good news, at just under 400 jumps I did what I had to do and I was under canopy at about 1800' and my freinds found both the main and the D-bag in the corn field I will get my rigger a bottle of his favorite Scotch and I know what that is since he is me!! (second save!!) I am not making a pitch one way or another. I only thought the info should be out there."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
