dmcoco84 5 #1 November 5, 2005 Well the time has come that I am going to have to invest in some BASE tools. I was on an A tonight and the winds were heavier than normal. Heavier than I have jumped before. It was also about 30-40 degree’s off the center. I decided to climb down because of the two factors. I then decided that I need to have a wind indicator because I’m not good a determining wind speed. Even with heavy winds and acceptable direction it would still be ncie to know my speeds! Found this one: http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=63178&hvarTarget=search&cmCat=SearchResults Thoughts? Too cheap? Will to work well? I’m also going to have to get a laser distance finder for future scouting. They are pretty expensive so I was hoping to find what others are using and which are having good results. I would like the low light LED also so that makes it expensive. The only one I have seen with LL LED is this: http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=64939&hvarTarget=search&cmCat=SearchResults What are other using?? Thanks Coco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #2 November 5, 2005 get a sunto observer...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 November 5, 2005 Get a Triax T-Stake. It does everything else... it might tell wind speeds too. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #5 November 5, 2005 Only problem with that is I ahve to be on the object. It would be nice to have a laser to sue both on and off an object for heights. But thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #6 November 5, 2005 dont have to limit yourself 2 1 "tool" get them 1 at time and build up ur collectionLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #7 November 5, 2005 Yea but I'm a poor biatch! At least until I get into a fire department! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #8 November 5, 2005 might sell you my rangefinder....Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #9 November 5, 2005 I'm probably just gonna get the wind finder first i already know the height of the object we jump normally Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #10 November 5, 2005 i knwo a good site.... http://www.ambientweather.com/newkestrel1000.html Kestrel 1000 Pocket Wind Meter The new Kestrel wind meters feature a new ergonomic design, built in backlight, data hold function, and a sure-grip hardcase. ...Inventory Status... Sku: 0851$64.00 cant beat that for all it offers...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnnyb 0 #11 November 5, 2005 This is just a polite question, but is it actually jumpers who arrive at an exitpoint and... "Hmm, a bit windy today for jumping... I'll just pull up my tool and check it... Ah, it's under my limits, c-ya" Or... "The ground looks kind of close down there... Hmm, my laser tells me it is ok, okidoki then.. c-ya" Because that feels for me like depending a tool telling me if something is doable or not. But prove me wrong or tell me othervise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #12 November 5, 2005 No its more like, Ground winds said 5mph at 200 degrees and the middle of the sector is 180 I get up to 250 feet (where i'll be openning) andthe wind seam pretty strong. Would have been nice to know exact wind speed to make a smart decisions whether or not it is safe to jump. I'm not a human wind speed indicator so my guestimate probably won't be acurate. I can also measure to see if the wind is getting strong or weak and decide to wait a little while before i climb down. Laser is to scout out new sites and to also determine high for an acurate delay. Be pretty dumb to think something is a certain height and jump it in the dark and not open in time. You use all of your senses along with tools to make the decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #13 November 5, 2005 It may also help you tie some numbers to your jumps. You get up there and you're comfortable with the winds... it might be nice to know that they're 5mph. If you get up there and you're uncomfortable... know they're 12mph. Then that one time when you think you're comfortable but you aren't sure... and you get a 14mph reading... you'll back off.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #14 November 5, 2005 If you are not happy with the winds, its simple you dont jump. If I am on top and not happy but the "BASE tool" tells me its only 2mph, then I aint going to jump anyway - I am not happy and that is all that I need to be told. I think this is a wrong approach on "to jump / not to jump" If you were on top and were not happy but someone else was and he jumps - would this mean you would then jump? Dont trust anything / anyone to help make your own decision, your on your own when you step off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #15 November 5, 2005 Exactly. I have 3 A jumps at the moment and I have no idea what the winds have "exactly" been. But they were definitally stronger last night than they have ever been. Knowing the exact speed will help me determine what types of winds I am comfortable with. Its also not just openning winds, it standing on the railing. I'd feel alot more comfortable if i'm not fighting heavy winds while I'm climbing up on the rail. Would hate to go off unstable as a mo fo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #16 November 5, 2005 if you dont have it yet,get yourself a rig Laser altiwatch beers what could posible go wrong? Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #17 November 5, 2005 Oh shit! Dude I almost forgot that! I probably need to get one of those first ey? Or maybe I'll use my javelin with a a 9 cell sabre!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #18 November 5, 2005 A rig is only a requirement if you want to make more than one jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #19 November 5, 2005 what you really need is a video cam and a stills cam.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #20 November 5, 2005 I've got the video camera, it just doesn't work well at night. And day blazes at one of our towers is a terrible idea!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #21 November 5, 2005 QuoteThis is just a polite question, but is it actually jumpers who arrive at an exitpoint and... "Hmm, a bit windy today for jumping... I'll just pull up my tool and check it... When I first started jumping, I showed up at a popular cliff in the desert Southwest United States. There were a number of jumpers there. One guy, who I did not know, walked out to the exit point, held up a little windmeter (I think anenometer is the technical name for the gizmo), and said "nope, over X mph (I don't remember the exact number), I'm not jumping." It seemed to me to be a very good way to remove the human factors from his judgment decision. When he wasn't hungry to jump, or tired from hiking, or whatever, he decided how much wind he was willing to jump that object in. Then he stuck by that decision, no matter which of his friends tried to convince him that "the wind isn't so bad" or "it's just a gust" or "we'll jump in a lull" or "you don't want to hike back down, do you" or whatever. I did get to see him jump later. He was (and probably still is) the most stable, in control BASE jumper I've ever seen. Everything about his jump was rock solid. Perfect body position, perfect pitch, watched the PC inflate and move to bridle stretch, returned to a perfect neutral position for deployment. In fact, I have the ground video of that jump and I still show it to students in my First Jump Course as an example of "what to do" in my "good and bad jumps" video segment. Oh, and I later found out the jumpers name. It was Todd Shoebotham.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #22 November 5, 2005 Thats pretty sweet! Todd is THE MAN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #23 November 5, 2005 We went to a building last night but it wasn't where I live and I'd never been to it before. I walked around it then moved to where I could look up at the most jumpable corner. What I do is picture someone standing there, jumping, getting line stretch, and then making whatever turns are needed to head home. It's not very scientific but it gives me a basic go, no-go notion right off the bat without knowing exactly how high something is. My friend went up and jumped while I passed on it as the approach and street landing were downwind (not on these legs) and there is too much vehicle traffic in the street for my taste. There sure were a lot of people out driving at 3:00 AM. I'm not totally anti-gizmo or gadget, I know they can be fun and interesting to fool around with, and besides I'm the moron who thought packing clamps were lame so many years ago. However, I really trust my eyeballs and the wind on my face, and that's a skill you aren’t born with it has to be developed. Might using these devices inhibit that ability? NickD BASE 194 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sean621 0 #24 November 5, 2005 interesting point...one for the flip side...how many times have you checked the winds either online or on the radio/tv and said...ooooh ten mph...too windy when if you had a "tool" and checked the winds at your local you might have been pleasantly surprised..and maybe made a jump...tools shouldnt be used for oh its only 8 mph they should be for is it really ten mph? .http://www.extreme-on-demand.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #25 November 5, 2005 QuoteKnowing the exact speed will help me determine what types of winds I am comfortable with. am I the only one that thinks this statement is somewhat wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 0
Faber 0 #19 November 5, 2005 what you really need is a video cam and a stills cam.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #20 November 5, 2005 I've got the video camera, it just doesn't work well at night. And day blazes at one of our towers is a terrible idea!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #21 November 5, 2005 QuoteThis is just a polite question, but is it actually jumpers who arrive at an exitpoint and... "Hmm, a bit windy today for jumping... I'll just pull up my tool and check it... When I first started jumping, I showed up at a popular cliff in the desert Southwest United States. There were a number of jumpers there. One guy, who I did not know, walked out to the exit point, held up a little windmeter (I think anenometer is the technical name for the gizmo), and said "nope, over X mph (I don't remember the exact number), I'm not jumping." It seemed to me to be a very good way to remove the human factors from his judgment decision. When he wasn't hungry to jump, or tired from hiking, or whatever, he decided how much wind he was willing to jump that object in. Then he stuck by that decision, no matter which of his friends tried to convince him that "the wind isn't so bad" or "it's just a gust" or "we'll jump in a lull" or "you don't want to hike back down, do you" or whatever. I did get to see him jump later. He was (and probably still is) the most stable, in control BASE jumper I've ever seen. Everything about his jump was rock solid. Perfect body position, perfect pitch, watched the PC inflate and move to bridle stretch, returned to a perfect neutral position for deployment. In fact, I have the ground video of that jump and I still show it to students in my First Jump Course as an example of "what to do" in my "good and bad jumps" video segment. Oh, and I later found out the jumpers name. It was Todd Shoebotham.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #22 November 5, 2005 Thats pretty sweet! Todd is THE MAN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #23 November 5, 2005 We went to a building last night but it wasn't where I live and I'd never been to it before. I walked around it then moved to where I could look up at the most jumpable corner. What I do is picture someone standing there, jumping, getting line stretch, and then making whatever turns are needed to head home. It's not very scientific but it gives me a basic go, no-go notion right off the bat without knowing exactly how high something is. My friend went up and jumped while I passed on it as the approach and street landing were downwind (not on these legs) and there is too much vehicle traffic in the street for my taste. There sure were a lot of people out driving at 3:00 AM. I'm not totally anti-gizmo or gadget, I know they can be fun and interesting to fool around with, and besides I'm the moron who thought packing clamps were lame so many years ago. However, I really trust my eyeballs and the wind on my face, and that's a skill you aren’t born with it has to be developed. Might using these devices inhibit that ability? NickD BASE 194 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean621 0 #24 November 5, 2005 interesting point...one for the flip side...how many times have you checked the winds either online or on the radio/tv and said...ooooh ten mph...too windy when if you had a "tool" and checked the winds at your local you might have been pleasantly surprised..and maybe made a jump...tools shouldnt be used for oh its only 8 mph they should be for is it really ten mph? .http://www.extreme-on-demand.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #25 November 5, 2005 QuoteKnowing the exact speed will help me determine what types of winds I am comfortable with. am I the only one that thinks this statement is somewhat wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
