pgpilot 0 #1 March 8, 2005 YeeeeHaaaww!!! http://paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1588 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 March 8, 2005 More discussion of Miles course can be found in this thread.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #3 March 8, 2005 Clicky Post from Paragliding forum reproduced below: QuoteSuper Fly Chris (Chris Santacroce) Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 6 Karma: +3/-0 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: BASE Jumping Intro for PG Pilots I know that this is a PG forum and I promise not to post here on this subject again, but I have talked to an awful lot of folks that have said that they might like to try BASE Jumping in a safe(ish) and legal manner. There is an opportunity to to do so May 13-15 in Idado. A pilot chute assisted BASE jump off a five hundred + foot bridge over water with a water landing and a boat rescue is a fairly predictable jump with an experienced instructor and state of the art gear. Actually, this type of first jump requires no real skill or previous experience. Naturally, the ability to flare before landing in the water helps and it is possible to graduate to landing on ground. Likewise, those who are interested can jump with the pilot chute "hand held." The instructors name is Miles Daisher, his number is 505 414 0499 www.milesdaisher.com Contact him or me to reserve a spot. This session will be geared toward PG pilots and we will be both towing and powered paragliding along with the BASE jumping. It should be a great weekend. $100 per jump for the first four jumps, $75 after that OR $500 for four jumps and you learn how to pack a BASE jumping parachute AGAIN, no experience is necessary for the towing, motoring or BASE Jumping....-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterBase 1 #4 March 8, 2005 I THINK THIS IS BAD NEWS. Just my humble opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #5 March 8, 2005 Tom, you should post the details of your free first BASE jump course on that PG forum. (c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #6 March 8, 2005 Nah, Tom will probably waste your time with all the boring bits (ethics, site evaluation, risk analysis/management etc.), why bother when you can just pay $100 and get hucked off a perfectly good bridge. Probably get a complimentary can of Red Bull too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #7 March 8, 2005 Just hope Miels aint arround as im visiting this summer im not paying him anything to jump off a perfectly good brigede... I hope the PGpilots understand that jumping off any objects as a BASEjump aint somthing you just do,in the same way i dont just go huck a pg chute on my back and fly.. Different sporst different skills even as you still can compare many of the skills you cant allow people to think that it demands no skills.. As Dexter said BAD idea Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #8 March 8, 2005 QuoteI hope the PGpilots understand that jumping off any objects as a BASEjump aint somthing you just do,in the same way i dont just go huck a pg chute on my back and fly.. Different sporst different skills even as you still can compare many of the skills you cant allow people to think that it demands no skills.. As Dexter said BAD idea was it not a paraglider pilot that invented the McConkey? Paraglider pilots have been jumping off bridges long before they got offered a course to do it. I posted something on BLiNC and DZ about asking about PG pilots learning to BASE before skydiving - maybe someone could dig it up - some interesting thoughts (from what I remember) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #9 March 8, 2005 QuoteA pilot chute assisted BASE jump off a five hundred + foot bridge over water Wow. It got bigger. You been using Miracle Grow Tom? QuoteAGAIN, no experience is necessary for the towing, motoring or BASE Jumping.... Sweet.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #10 March 8, 2005 QuoteParaglider pilots have been jumping off bridges long before they got offered a course to do it. problem aint that PG pilots are offered this,problem is that EVRY one is offered this as it it requres no skills.. I do agree that PG pilots knows how to fly a pg,do they know how to sink a 7cell canopy? do they know how to be stabel in freefall? i dunno i never tryed PG but thouse are some of the things that i wonder.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #11 March 8, 2005 QuoteProbably get a complimentary can of Red Bull too. Naw, that will be 4 bucks. Can't have charity you know.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #12 March 8, 2005 QuoteI posted something on BLiNC and DZ about asking about PG pilots learning to BASE before skydiving - maybe someone could dig it up - some interesting thoughts (from what I remember) Othar linked it in the PG forum.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites teamlf 0 #13 March 8, 2005 Since when do you need to be good at free fall to do a pca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ojlawrence 0 #14 March 8, 2005 Oh, come on you guys. Would you all be BASE jumping in the first place if you weren't at least a little bit open minded? Let's not start slamming the guy until we see what and how he's teaching. Yes, I came from the dark side of paragliding, Miles and some of the other evil RB dudes taught me how. Did they teach me how to pack, site evaluation, risk analysis/management site maintnance/ preservation, how to safely continue the experience, and how to work within the BASE community to ensure I don't piss people off? Yes to all. Have I had a successfull BASE career in terms of safety, not pissing people off and being a good ambasador to the sport. I think yes, but I guess I should let you all judge. Am I the only paraglider pilot that has learned to BASE jump in this way? Definately not. Are the others that have learned this way continuing their BASE careers in a reponsible maner? 100% Regarding the skills a PG pilot has and how it relates to base the discussion is here, http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22444 Of course my personal take on it is the skills of a PG pilot are more than adaquite for learning to jump off of a bridge like the one mentioned. Are those skills adequeate for all BASE jumps? Certainly not. Is part of the continuing education for BASE jumping getting the necessary long/ terminal freefall skills by learning how to jump out of an aircraft? Yes. Have I done that? Yes. Have the other PG to BASE cross overs done that? Yes. ***AGAIN, no experience is necessary for the towing, motoring or BASE Jumping....*** The poster of this meant no prior paraglider towing, paramotoring, or BASE jumping experience necessary. This is a course that is designed for experienced paraglider pilots and they will be able to learn the skills of paraglider towing, paramotoring and an introduction to BASE jumping. Happy Hucking, Othar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #15 March 8, 2005 QuoteSince when do you need to be good at free fall to do a pca you dont need to be good to freefall,almost all people in this world only fall one way DOWN.. However jumpoing off an object whith a whish of getting away whith it alive and uninjuryed you might want to fall stabel. I know that Miles will let people jump off an object thats "easy" forgiven and even have water below. but you should be stupied to not realice that stuff can go wrong even at such object. The chance of people getting hurt will raise as you let people jump off stuff like it were a rolercoasterride.. Besides if you read the artickle theres posibility of jumping off the S handheld later on... Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #16 March 8, 2005 Quote...this type of first jump requires no real skill or previous experience. This bit says two things to me: 1) This is a "first" of many jumps. Not an "only" jump, in which case the wording would have been something like "this type of jump requires no skill..." 2) No previous experience is required. Perhaps I'm misreading this, but when you run an advertisement (which is essentially what this is), the burden is on you to say the things you mean. Also, when you post things into a public forum, you can't exactly expect that people won't respond and comment. That is, after all, the nature of a forum.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base428 1 #17 March 8, 2005 OJ, BASE jumpers love to bitch and moan, so is it really a surprise to hear everyone complaining? Too many people are ready to jump down your throat lately. On the positive side, at least you're catering to people who already have some, if not more, knowledge about parachutes than we do. Even I am guilty of taking several jumpers with no skydives on their first BASE jump (they didn't have a comfy little river below). I'd bet there are quite a few people on this forum that have taken whuffos for a quick first BASE jump as well. Ironically, a local PG pilot offered to teach me a few things last summer. He took me under his "wing" and I made a bunch of flights here in WV. I really appreciated that he offered to show me his sport and I had a ton of fun. So, if you guys want to throw some experienced paragliders off the bridge, then I say GO FOR IT. Have fun.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Treejumps 0 #18 March 8, 2005 Well this is truly a treat. As a capitalist, I feel that competition is important, and that is why I will be bringing plenty of extra rigs and will gladly chuck monkeys off the briudge for $50.00 per jump. No refunds if you go in. Since this is not real BASE instruction, and nothing more than a thrill ride, go with the cheapest guy in town. What do you have to lose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #19 March 8, 2005 Quote and will gladly chuck monkeys off the briudge for $50.00 per jump. What, so now you are trying to steal Ray's business? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #20 March 9, 2005 QuoteWow. It got bigger. I expect they're standing on the rail. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hucklberry 0 #21 March 9, 2005 Shit, I gotta go to the store and buy you all some more milk. How many more sippy cups do I need? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Treejumps 0 #22 March 9, 2005 Hi Hucklberry, You can bring mine to TF May 12 - 17th. With all your witty banter it will be a pleasure to see you at the bridge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #23 March 9, 2005 QuoteBASE jumpers love to bitch and moan, so is it really a surprise to hear everyone complaining? Too many people are ready to jump down your throat lately yeah its all fun untill it goes back to one self right... Jason i cant belive that YOU working to legaliced BASE many places dont give a sh#t about this... Do you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects?At least we wont have a list to place all the deads on then... Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ojlawrence 0 #24 March 9, 2005 QuoteDo you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects? Faber- Did you have any BASE jumping experience before you jumped off your first object? hmm... something about the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base428 1 #25 March 9, 2005 Faber, The Potato bridge is an easy jump, as you'll see if you get the chance to jump it someday. Have you ever flown a wing? PG pilots know far more than we do about canopy flight. If you wanna talk about the fatality list, then do so in the proper thread.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. 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Faber 0 #7 March 8, 2005 Just hope Miels aint arround as im visiting this summer im not paying him anything to jump off a perfectly good brigede... I hope the PGpilots understand that jumping off any objects as a BASEjump aint somthing you just do,in the same way i dont just go huck a pg chute on my back and fly.. Different sporst different skills even as you still can compare many of the skills you cant allow people to think that it demands no skills.. As Dexter said BAD idea Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #8 March 8, 2005 QuoteI hope the PGpilots understand that jumping off any objects as a BASEjump aint somthing you just do,in the same way i dont just go huck a pg chute on my back and fly.. Different sporst different skills even as you still can compare many of the skills you cant allow people to think that it demands no skills.. As Dexter said BAD idea was it not a paraglider pilot that invented the McConkey? Paraglider pilots have been jumping off bridges long before they got offered a course to do it. I posted something on BLiNC and DZ about asking about PG pilots learning to BASE before skydiving - maybe someone could dig it up - some interesting thoughts (from what I remember) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #9 March 8, 2005 QuoteA pilot chute assisted BASE jump off a five hundred + foot bridge over water Wow. It got bigger. You been using Miracle Grow Tom? QuoteAGAIN, no experience is necessary for the towing, motoring or BASE Jumping.... Sweet.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #10 March 8, 2005 QuoteParaglider pilots have been jumping off bridges long before they got offered a course to do it. problem aint that PG pilots are offered this,problem is that EVRY one is offered this as it it requres no skills.. I do agree that PG pilots knows how to fly a pg,do they know how to sink a 7cell canopy? do they know how to be stabel in freefall? i dunno i never tryed PG but thouse are some of the things that i wonder.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 March 8, 2005 QuoteProbably get a complimentary can of Red Bull too. Naw, that will be 4 bucks. Can't have charity you know.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #12 March 8, 2005 QuoteI posted something on BLiNC and DZ about asking about PG pilots learning to BASE before skydiving - maybe someone could dig it up - some interesting thoughts (from what I remember) Othar linked it in the PG forum.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamlf 0 #13 March 8, 2005 Since when do you need to be good at free fall to do a pca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ojlawrence 0 #14 March 8, 2005 Oh, come on you guys. Would you all be BASE jumping in the first place if you weren't at least a little bit open minded? Let's not start slamming the guy until we see what and how he's teaching. Yes, I came from the dark side of paragliding, Miles and some of the other evil RB dudes taught me how. Did they teach me how to pack, site evaluation, risk analysis/management site maintnance/ preservation, how to safely continue the experience, and how to work within the BASE community to ensure I don't piss people off? Yes to all. Have I had a successfull BASE career in terms of safety, not pissing people off and being a good ambasador to the sport. I think yes, but I guess I should let you all judge. Am I the only paraglider pilot that has learned to BASE jump in this way? Definately not. Are the others that have learned this way continuing their BASE careers in a reponsible maner? 100% Regarding the skills a PG pilot has and how it relates to base the discussion is here, http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22444 Of course my personal take on it is the skills of a PG pilot are more than adaquite for learning to jump off of a bridge like the one mentioned. Are those skills adequeate for all BASE jumps? Certainly not. Is part of the continuing education for BASE jumping getting the necessary long/ terminal freefall skills by learning how to jump out of an aircraft? Yes. Have I done that? Yes. Have the other PG to BASE cross overs done that? Yes. ***AGAIN, no experience is necessary for the towing, motoring or BASE Jumping....*** The poster of this meant no prior paraglider towing, paramotoring, or BASE jumping experience necessary. This is a course that is designed for experienced paraglider pilots and they will be able to learn the skills of paraglider towing, paramotoring and an introduction to BASE jumping. Happy Hucking, Othar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #15 March 8, 2005 QuoteSince when do you need to be good at free fall to do a pca you dont need to be good to freefall,almost all people in this world only fall one way DOWN.. However jumpoing off an object whith a whish of getting away whith it alive and uninjuryed you might want to fall stabel. I know that Miles will let people jump off an object thats "easy" forgiven and even have water below. but you should be stupied to not realice that stuff can go wrong even at such object. The chance of people getting hurt will raise as you let people jump off stuff like it were a rolercoasterride.. Besides if you read the artickle theres posibility of jumping off the S handheld later on... Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 March 8, 2005 Quote...this type of first jump requires no real skill or previous experience. This bit says two things to me: 1) This is a "first" of many jumps. Not an "only" jump, in which case the wording would have been something like "this type of jump requires no skill..." 2) No previous experience is required. Perhaps I'm misreading this, but when you run an advertisement (which is essentially what this is), the burden is on you to say the things you mean. Also, when you post things into a public forum, you can't exactly expect that people won't respond and comment. That is, after all, the nature of a forum.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #17 March 8, 2005 OJ, BASE jumpers love to bitch and moan, so is it really a surprise to hear everyone complaining? Too many people are ready to jump down your throat lately. On the positive side, at least you're catering to people who already have some, if not more, knowledge about parachutes than we do. Even I am guilty of taking several jumpers with no skydives on their first BASE jump (they didn't have a comfy little river below). I'd bet there are quite a few people on this forum that have taken whuffos for a quick first BASE jump as well. Ironically, a local PG pilot offered to teach me a few things last summer. He took me under his "wing" and I made a bunch of flights here in WV. I really appreciated that he offered to show me his sport and I had a ton of fun. So, if you guys want to throw some experienced paragliders off the bridge, then I say GO FOR IT. Have fun.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #18 March 8, 2005 Well this is truly a treat. As a capitalist, I feel that competition is important, and that is why I will be bringing plenty of extra rigs and will gladly chuck monkeys off the briudge for $50.00 per jump. No refunds if you go in. Since this is not real BASE instruction, and nothing more than a thrill ride, go with the cheapest guy in town. What do you have to lose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #19 March 8, 2005 Quote and will gladly chuck monkeys off the briudge for $50.00 per jump. What, so now you are trying to steal Ray's business? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #20 March 9, 2005 QuoteWow. It got bigger. I expect they're standing on the rail. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hucklberry 0 #21 March 9, 2005 Shit, I gotta go to the store and buy you all some more milk. How many more sippy cups do I need? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #22 March 9, 2005 Hi Hucklberry, You can bring mine to TF May 12 - 17th. With all your witty banter it will be a pleasure to see you at the bridge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #23 March 9, 2005 QuoteBASE jumpers love to bitch and moan, so is it really a surprise to hear everyone complaining? Too many people are ready to jump down your throat lately yeah its all fun untill it goes back to one self right... Jason i cant belive that YOU working to legaliced BASE many places dont give a sh#t about this... Do you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects?At least we wont have a list to place all the deads on then... Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ojlawrence 0 #24 March 9, 2005 QuoteDo you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects? Faber- Did you have any BASE jumping experience before you jumped off your first object? hmm... something about the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base428 1 #25 March 9, 2005 Faber, The Potato bridge is an easy jump, as you'll see if you get the chance to jump it someday. Have you ever flown a wing? PG pilots know far more than we do about canopy flight. If you wanna talk about the fatality list, then do so in the proper thread.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 0
Faber 0 #23 March 9, 2005 QuoteBASE jumpers love to bitch and moan, so is it really a surprise to hear everyone complaining? Too many people are ready to jump down your throat lately yeah its all fun untill it goes back to one self right... Jason i cant belive that YOU working to legaliced BASE many places dont give a sh#t about this... Do you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects?At least we wont have a list to place all the deads on then... Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ojlawrence 0 #24 March 9, 2005 QuoteDo you really think that moving the fatality list will equal letting people whithg no experience to jump off objects? Faber- Did you have any BASE jumping experience before you jumped off your first object? hmm... something about the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #25 March 9, 2005 Faber, The Potato bridge is an easy jump, as you'll see if you get the chance to jump it someday. Have you ever flown a wing? PG pilots know far more than we do about canopy flight. If you wanna talk about the fatality list, then do so in the proper thread.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
