Well . . .

[NickDG 23]

Hi Everyone,

I'm sorry for the concern and anger I caused with that stupid stunt last night. I especially apologize to those I scared and more so, to those I offended. I don't know what to say without sounding more lame than I feel right now. To friends and strangers, who reached out, I'll never be able to make it up to you. I hope that someday I can regain your respect.

I must also apologize to Sangiro and the Mods, I started a fire in your house. I'm going to go away and be quiet now . . .

NickD

[blitzkrieg 0]

it's amazing how many of us that don't know you very well, and have only briefly met you, were calling eachother behind the scenes to figure out what was going on.
those of us at Sonic Beef wanted to make sure you know that we love you man, and like any brethren are here for you.

don't go away, and don't be quiet. just keep on like you've been. i truly enjoy reading everything you put out there. and like i said before, i was honored to shake your hand.

cheers!
~E

[RhondaLea 4]

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don't go away, and don't be quiet. just keep on like you've been.

Nick,

What he said, many times over.

rl

[bob.dino 1]

Thirded.

Nick mate: you've got lots to say and most () of it's worth listening to. Just buy for the folks you know that you scared and I'm sure it'll all be ok.

[RayLosli 11]

Nick..
About my Posts to your thread
I Have Very Little Sympathy in ... Grandstanding on that level that I witnessed
Grandstanding by publicly threatening to kill yourself bring out the darker hard side of myself.
Do not mistake this for an apology.
Just an explanation to my remarks and simple - Black & White - outlook of life around me.


Tom...
I can understand you Locking this thread.
Erasing this thread for further Public Viewing ?
I hate to say this but....
This would be about the only situation that I might have and agreement for Moderator Censorship.
A botched cry of suicide or a Drunken Bad joke, It sure was not about BASE jumping ...but ...
Over Emotional Investment combined with Moderator duties in the Soap Opera Drama ...entitled.....DropZone.com
Even to the point of trying to protecting the good name and reputation of its Posting Participants. I don't really like.
but.... You only did what a Good friend would do for a friend in trouble..Good or Bad.
** Weird Situation ** Hope you don't have to do that again.
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[78RATS 0]

With the thread lock all I got was suicide and Nick....glad it wasn't true.

just ringing the bell. he hates that. hahaha

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

[eb66to77 0]

Same here Nick. I only met you once two years ago but that was a shock. Don't go away.

[RhondaLea 4]

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Black & White - outlook of life around me.

I'm just here to let you know that your "outlook of life" flies in the face of all known facts about the subject of discussion.

On a broader level, I would suggest that those who wish to characterize the acts of others educate themselves so that their pronouncements are the correct ones.

So far, all such characterizations that I have seen are totally wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, or at least that's what we're told, but not all opinions are created equal. I haven't seen that any of the most adamantly opinionated among you have the first clue about the topic upon which you choose to expound.

One thing about a crisis like this is that it separates the stand-up guys from...the ones who are not.

rl

P.S. Ray, there is a wealth of information on the net and in the library about what is known as "black and white thinking" or "splitting." It would be an educational google.

[RayLosli 11]

You say:
I'm just here to let you know that your "outlook of life" flies in the face of all known facts about the subject of discussion.

On a broader level, I would suggest that those who wish to characterize the acts of others educate themselves so that their pronouncements are the correct ones.

So far, all such characterizations that I have seen are totally wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, or at least that's what we're told, but not all opinions are created equal. I haven't seen that any of the most adamantly opinionated among you have the first clue about the topic upon which you choose to expound.


Well I say. Ha Ha...Funny girl
Hey ... You better be careful there, You might end up as labeling yourself as ,,,Opinionated and ( self proclaimed expert) on my human worth and existence.
Wake up Honey .... You post pictures and statement that you are going to ..Kill Yourself on a public BASE talk forum.
Nick is an extremely fortunate that ..Tom stepped in to, SAVE his ASS.

.........
you say:
P.S. Ray, there is a wealth of information on the net and in the library about what is known as "black and white thinking" or "splitting." It would be an educational google. .


Sorry Rhonda...Not much BASE jumping going on in the Public Library.

You are a BASE jumper Right ??????.
or are you just a self proclaimed wealth of knowledge that is getting far to vested Emotionally in this...
BASE Talk Forum soap opera ???

I would love to hear your OPINION
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[plowdirt 0]

Just pulling myelf out of the hole Tom drilled me into yesterday because of my posts. well all I can say I was border line booted again. I'll send you the bill for the call to 411 in San Diago. I may not know you, but I have to reach out to anyone in crisis, especially in that situation.

RL call any time.

Heres to pissing in the wind, apology accepted.E

[Faber 0]

Heya Nick
I never saw the tread or the pic,i dont like when people comit suiside,i have enough dead in my evryday to want more than that.

That said,i do understand you were drunk,knowing from myself how stupied i can be even sober i can forgive you and acsept your apoligy.

However i do expect that you personaly sign my copy of your book,whith a note on it,when that time comes

what do you get if a guineeapig and a horse get kids together?

i dont know just wondering........

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[BASE813 0]

we all have demons..............sometimes the demons raise their heads.................

[SkyDaemon 0]

Some demons are daemons... some hang around the sky

(although they mostly hang around unix systems, sometimes suspended, sometimes interrupted, sometimes zombied, and sometimes they just plain hang...) It's an obnoxious part of life...

While I didn't see Nick's thread, answering one's problems with a keyboard and a bulletin board probably isn't going to alleviate the underlying problems and motives.

Just another unsolicited opinion brought to you by:
-=Raistlin

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[sight_burner 0]

ok can somone p.m me on what happend.

Andrew

I don't care about fame I just want people to know my name qote ( Andrew Cebuhar)

the thread is dead

[RhondaLea 4]

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Well I say. Ha Ha...Funny girl

I won't tell you how many of my friends have committed suicide, Ray. Numbers are useless. The real number is "too many," but my most painful recent experience was losing my very best friend in the world last June.

Please just take my word that I have knowledge of the subject at hand.

I have another, very close friend who is alive today only because of a lot of therapy and a shitload of luck. I wrote to him about this, because I was so frustrated by the reaction of some of the posters here.

I asked him this:

What does one say to those who believe that suicide is a) a "fuck you" gesture or b) the act of a nut or c) "psychopathic manipulation."

Here, with some editing, is his reply:

Suicide is never a "fuck you" gesture. It is a fuck it all gesture. Suicide is a reaction to intolerable psychic pain that one's coping skills can't relieve. There is always an underlying ... problem--generally severe depression, a deep feeling of hopelessness.... Substance abuse is a pain indicator. A "nut" is someone in serious psychic distress. They need help not scorn. Suicidal ideation begins the process. A half-hearted attempt is someone asking for help. This is hardly manipulation.

Pop psychology and "the common wisdom" say a lot of things. Most of those things are wrong.

Every single time someone chooses suicide as a solution, everyone says: "I'd have helped him, he should've asked me." Or they claim they didn't know.

But the reason most people never ask for help or let on that something is wrong is a direct result of their expectation that they will receive a response similar to those seen here in these threads.

I've come very close to killing myself on more than one occasion. This is the first time I've ever made such a statement publicly, and I do it only to make this point: the times I have suffered in silence were because I'm not willing to set myself up for the judgments that fly fast and furious when those kinds of thoughts are voiced.

I can't speak for Nick. I have no idea what he was thinking or feeling because I don't live inside his head. And the rest of you don't live inside his head either, so it takes a lot of nerve to disparage him the way you do. He is not crazy, he is not manipulative, he is not any of the negative things that have been said here, and it infuriates me that people who do not even know him at all are making generic judgments based on what they think they know but do not know at all.

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You are a BASE jumper Right ??????

I've actually posted about this, Ray. You weren't paying attention, and that's not my responsibility. Yes, I have a few BASE jumps. No, I am not a BASE jumper. But there are still people in this community I care about deeply, although as time goes on, it seems to me that more and more of them are dead.

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Hey ... You better be careful there, You might end up as labeling yourself as ,,,Opinionated and ( self proclaimed expert) on my human worth and existence.

None of my comments have anything to do with your human worth or lack thereof. I will say, however, that you're about nine years too late with the label, and I've been flamed by people a whole lot more clever than you. Spend a year or ten on usenet and get back to me.

rl

[RayLosli 11]

Rhonda....
If you made a few BASE jumps then you are a BASE jumper

And... Hey I dont really think I am Flaming on you / I am just pushing a few Buttons to see What you are made of.
*** Just Checkiiiin You Out ***
Your have actually made a large impression on me as a Smart Girl and I like a Chic that will stand her ground against me.
Dont be scared but.... I LIKE That !..

also:
I said..." I look at the world in black and white." ...
So I started looking after your Comments from your last post.

Black and White/ Split thinking
In this state, it is extremely difficult to think in a balanced way, because as we have already seen, when emotionally aroused, the brain's default mode of thinking is 'all or nothing'. In addition, the thought that life will always be as difficult as it is when experiencing traumatic flashbacks is a depressing one in itself.

All or Nothing thinking / Black and White / Split
All or Nothing thinking is found in depressed people all over the World. This is because it is part of the most primitive of human responses: The Fight or Flight Response.When faced with a life-threatening situation, we must make a snap decision and act on it. There is no time for 'maybe this', or 'maybe that'. Either decision will create an emotional reaction to allow us to fight or flee to the maximum of our ability.

But these responses evolved for times that were much more physically threatening. These days they are rarely required, at least not to that extent.

Hey.....I say... "Unless your a BASE jumper"

Spotting warning words
As an ongoing way of perceiving reality, All or Nothing thinking is emotionally and physically damaging. If you spot yourself using this style, challenge yourself to think differently. There are particular words that people often use when thinking in this way. You can learn to spot them.

Always .. Never ... Perfect ... Impossible ... Awful ... Terrible ... Ruined ... Disastrous ... Furious

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Some Advice......

If you are 'addicted' to getting high levels of emotional stimulation from experiences, conversations, relationships and.....
BASE Jumping.

It could be time you started doing with less.

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Warning / and disclaimer :

I have Plagiarized Large amounts of this Hypothesized information from the internet./ (go figure)

Now it is time to ..... SINK back into .... DEEP ... DEPRESSION......

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[TomAiello 26]

Ray, Rhondalea,

This is becoming an interesting discussion, but one not really related to the topic of this forum, which is BASE jumping.

Can we stop having this discussion here, now?

Thanks!

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[RayLosli 11]

I disagree... Strongly

The Comments made by some of the posts on Nick DG's thread are directly related to the Topic here.

The discussion the Rhonda opened up on Black and White / Splitting thought I believe is a direct relation to the Possible
source of some of the post that some do not agree with.

** Let me elaborate.....

Say that splitting is a way to divide the world in "all good" "all bad". It is a black and white way to see the world without "grey". Splitting is one of the defense mechanism used to protect themselves.
Also:
A defense mechanism consisting of refusal to encounter situations or activities that are sensitive or uncomfortable
to that person.

Such as some BASE jumpers in Relating to Nicks Thread.
You Possibly cover with Humor of Anger when a Thread or Posts deals with An * Ultra-Sensitive * Issue

You don't get much more sensitive of a issue than that thread on a Public BASE talk forum.

The Theory Suggested by Rhonda may be directly ** BASE ** related.In dealing with our Mental state.
Especially to - The Death Of / Suicide Of - a close member of our Family Group.

>.. Some deal with there issues with - Smart Assed comments.
>.. Some deal with angry or abusive comments
>.. Some deal by giving an extreme sympathy / comfort or emotional sympathy.
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[unclecharlie95 3]

I forgive you Nick We can all make bad calls sometimes. (like when I posted photos of my nipple clamps.... )

Time to go make a flick

Mucho BASE
J

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