Tail Gate on Slider Up jumps

[georgechurchill 0]

I have now uploaded the lineover movie to www.skydivingmovies.com

Search for "Norway 2004 by Georgeous George"

Sorry but the line over is just a small bit towards the end, you will have to download the whole thing. I will try and seperate it when I get time and upload just that bit

Thanks
George

http://georgechurchill.blogspot.com

[BASE813 0]

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I have now uploaded the lineover movie to www.skydivingmovies.com

Search for "Norway 2004 by Georgeous George"

Sorry but the line over is just a small bit towards the end, you will have to download the whole thing. I will try and seperate it when I get time and upload just that bit

Thanks
George

Nice video George............... seems like a nice trip you had! love ya work........

is your mobile still fucked? are you on the same number? PM your number and we can catch up.....

Mac

[RayLosli 11]

The Petronas, Partial line-over that cleared was mine.

I have had another partial line-over line over that cleared
using no Tape. on video also.

Both partial Line-overs cleared them self between pressurization
and un-stowing the Toggles.

Also.... My pack jobs were text book with strong delay.

I have personally seen a few line-overs start and clear on other
jumpers and several on video over the years.

I think that the partial line-over that clears by it self, between
pressurization and un-stowing the Toggle's.
*** Happens more than jumpers are aware of..***

I have learned a bunch since I have been using masking tape on
Break lines to retard the tail on opening and let the nose and
pressurization get the dominate lead on the opening. To stop the
Partial line-over that clears by it self, and/or stopping the line-over
from happening.

The biggest mistake that I made was to **Grossly Underestimate **
the power that the tail of the canopy has when it busts open on a
Slider Up jump.

Since then I have almost doubled the number of raps of tape to different
Free Fall air speeds of canopy delay's.

I feel that I was NOT using near enough tape.
I also feel that retarding the opening of the tail on slider up jumps has
a direct effect on the line-over factor.

Also, be aware that Taping the break lines has a direct effect on the speed
at which the canopy stages it opening.
That is why between using, Direct Slider control, Primary line stow and
tape on Break line's.
I don't roll the Nose of the canopy and rap the center cell around the pack job on Terminal
speed Free Fall on my, un-valve V-Tec's to get smooth controlled opening.
Not having to roll the nose on terminal air speed jumps I feel adds a better
chance of a good Heading on opening.

This is not a scientific study. Just Trial and Error, jump by jump.

[nicknitro71 0]

Well,

I did few jumps at BD using a fine mash slider with the tailgate. Delays were 4-5 sec. Openings were OK but they seem a little slower especially during the last part of the inflaction, maybe too much reefing of the tail? I need to experiment more but so far I cannot see any cons. Heading wise I could not see any differences.

By the way I am jumping an ACE 240 loaded .70 with a Per Pro.

If you have experimented with this set up please post your feeback.

Also, DON'T use the tailgate with large hole mash slider and don't lark-head the rubber band!

Memento Audere Semper

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[BASE813 0]

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Also, DON'T use the tailgate with large hole mash slider and don't lark-head the rubber band!

what are your experiences and findings that lead to you say this?

[nicknitro71 0]

None personal. I've herd of stuck taligates because one side of the rubber band was lark-headed. There have been few discussions on this topic both here and blinc.

As for the large hole, the tailgate could get trapped in one of the mash holes possibly inducing a stuck slider resulting in a partial inflation.

Memento Audere Semper

903

[BASE813 0]

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There have been few discussions on this topic both here and blinc.

yes I am very aware of this...........


so due to this discussion you are sure enough to post a "DONT" on a configuration you have only "read" about?

[nicknitro71 0]

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so due to this discussion you are sure enough to post a "DONT" on a configuration you have only "read" about?

This is silly.

I've only read about of possible line overs jumping slider down w/out tailgate. Do I go and try it out to see if I get a line over? At BD I refused to pack a slider down because the guy did not have a tailgate so I've told him that I was going to pack it slider up or he should have found someone else to pack it.

Apparently those that had the tailgate stuck (on slider down/removed) lark-headed the rubber band, one reason not to do it.

I also read there have been few instances of a tailgate stuck on a large hole mash.

What is your point anyway? Are you implying we should experience mulfunctions and re-invent the wheel?

Memento Audere Semper

903

[BASE813 0]

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so due to this discussion you are sure enough to post a "DONT" on a configuration you have only "read" about?

This is silly.

I've only read about of possible line overs jumping slider down w/out tailgate. Do I go and try it out to see if I get a line over? At BD I refused to pack a slider down because the guy did not have a tailgate so I've told him that I was going to pack it slider up or he should have found someone else to pack it.

Apparently those that had the tailgate stuck (on slider down/removed) lark-headed the rubber band, one reason not to do it.

I also read there have been few instances of a tailgate stuck on a large hole mash.

What is your point anyway? Are you implying we should experience mulfunctions and re-invent the wheel?

your right, this is silly.................. I cant be fucked to bother continuing this......

my point is dont say "DONT" when you dont really know what the fuck you are talking about........ especially on a forum of new jumpers who may take advice from people who appear confident in what they say..........

[TomAiello 26]

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I've only read about of possible line overs jumping slider down w/out tailgate.

I have video of an experienced jumper getting a slider down tailgated lineover. I'll try to post it sometime and start a discussion about that.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[TomAiello 26]

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...fine mash slider with the tailgate.

Delays were 4-5 sec. Openings were OK but they seem a little slower especially during the last part of the inflaction..

Have you compared with large mesh and tailgate? I'd bet that the slower inflation you saw was due to using a small mesh slider at 4-5 seconds, rather than the tailgate.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[nicknitro71 0]

Tom,

I won't use a tailgate with a large mash as per described earlier.

As for large vs. small, I honestly don't find any difference in heading performance hence when I need a slider I go with the fine. You are right about slower openings.

Next thing I want to try is WS terminal with fine mash and the tailgate with a 38" PC.

Memento Audere Semper

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[nicknitro71 0]

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I have video of an experienced jumper getting a slider down tailgated lineover. I'll try to post it sometime and start a discussion about that.

This is the first I've heard! Is this the only lineover with the tailgate you know of?

Do you know the details of the jump and the set up? Like the delay and the number of wraps?

You should definately post the video and discuss the matter!

Memento Audere Semper

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[nicknitro71 0]

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Also, DON'T use the tailgate with large hole mash slider and don't lark-head the rubber band!

I maybe came too strong on this one. This is what I would never do. If lark-heading the tailgate with a large hole mash has been working fine for you then be it. Again I won't do it nor pack it for somebody else.

It's all good!

Memento Audere Semper

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