MEET THE TANNING GUY

[Treejumps 0]

THis should be a little obvious, JP, but if you don't base jump you don't have anything in the game. Assuming that you are not into professional skirt ironing, would you waste as much time and energy talking about that? Basically, if you don't base jump, what do you care? It has nothing to do with non base jumpers. It surely has nothing to do with skydivers and skydiving. BASE is its own thing, and had been for decades. Its threads like this that I knew were inevitable with a BASE zone on the DZ.

Its great that you have an opinion on everything, but unless you huck, its all mental masturbation.

Cya.

[BASE813 0]

*stands up clapping*

[base689 0]

*stands up clapping* · · · · · · · · Me too!!!!!

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com

[Treejumps 0]

Thank you, thank you very much.

Elvis has left the building!

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Its great that you have an opinion on everything, but unless you huck, its all mental masturbation.

Bullshit.

Tree (others place your name here if it applies) , as much as it's going to wound you, you're far from representitive the BASE comunity. Your limited view won't let you see beyond the mental E you're about to strike. The majority of BASE jumpers I've met (and called my friends) will look upon your rantings and immediately see you for what you are. An individual who was pulled from the tit too early in life, and continualy needs the stroking and indirect approval of others. True BASE jumpers are not militant goose-stepping Nazi punks. When will you realize you've never had it so good. If discounting me and my statements makes you feel better about yourself, who am I to stop you? I've stood on the edge, and walked away twice due to conditions. I'm comfortable with that. I have no need to puff myself into a monstrosity of bragadocia, and spewed insults. You've missed the boat on sensibility, and instead remained in your own fairy tale town.

Let me clear you up on one incredibly observant point you've made.

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Its great that you have an opinion on everything, but unless you huck, its all mental masturbation.

DZ.com is mental masturbation, and I as well as everyone here is a hairy palmed, glasses wearing, kleenex using, jerk-a-holic.


Or in smaller words for those of you that are working on the first sentence still......yo mamma, punk.(in the nicest possible way.)

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[Treejumps 0]

Wow,

Talk about needing attention. Relax. Quote" True BASE jumpers are not militant goose-stepping Nazi punks". What are you talking about? Just becuase I think that skydivers have no interests in what goes on in base does not make me Nazi.

It's great that you walked away. Stick with the planes, and the unlimited BS like you just spewed. There is no "representative" of the base community. Just people who jump off of things.

All I said was if you don't BASE jump, what exactly do you care? Same with the competition skirt ironing, although at this point your skirt seems mighty wrinkled, Maybe the competition ironing would be a nice new outlet for all that anger. Why all the drama?

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The majority of BASE jumpers I've met (and I'm proud to call former lovers) will look upon your rantings and immediately see you for what you are. An individual who was pulled from the tit too early in life, and continualy needs the stroking and indirect approval of others.

Foul!!!

Book 'em Danno.

The trick is to insult everyone and thereby avoid the label of "personal attack".

I'd be interested in knowing who the BASE jumpers you have met are. Perhaps you should change your name to Bananapilot.

It's all just fun and ephedra, dude. Don't go crazy.

$kin.

Prizes to anyone who gets to read my posts before Mr Aiello's son, Tom deletes them.

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The trick is to insult everyone and thereby avoid the label of "personal attack".

Thank you, o' master of the insult.....

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It's all just fun and ephedra, dude. Don't go crazy.

ah the joys of ephedra.....................

shame we have to import it, otherwise I may climb over 300ft regular!

...oh bugger I cant climb

*puts on grumpy old man voice*

eeeee.... you young fuckers, walking and climbing like its so easy....... eeeee *hits rimlicka with crutches*

fuck ephedra with this much time and non movement on my hands, cant sleep as it is!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you fuckers!

be safe all!

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has anyone else noticed that his discussion / arguement can be split into 2 camps.........

Camp 1) BASE jumpers
Camp 2) Skydivers

I don't know how that distinction was made other than those who feel that anyone who skydives is not a BASE jumper. So what does it mean when a BASE jumpers skydives? I don't buy it and call BS on anyone who says my or anyones elses opinion doesn't count based solely on what form of this sport we choose to spend most of our time. I started BASE jumping at the age of 8 using a buddys Airforce round from the roof of his house and have continued to make jumps when I get the itch. So make a Camp 3 called Skydiver/BASE jumper and I'll gladly get in that line.

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If you skydivers are so confident of your thoughts why dont we see you post this sort of shit at BLiNC?

I read BLiNC and the traffic there is pretty slow, this place gets far more traffic and I monitor this site daily. For me it's just easier.

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Reason: Camp 2 cant see that Camp 1 wants BASE to stay as safe as possible................ fucking madness...........

I don't think anyone here debated that. What was a question that still remains to be fully answered and not speculated upon, is if this guys operation is safe/unsafe. Since no one has actually seen him throw people off yet, it's all speculation based on a few phone conversations. Based on that, people were ready to lynch this guy and started attacking what he is doing. Until I mentioned it, I didn't hear one of you make mention of trying to protect this spot by actually talking to this guy face to face and watch what he does before making judegement.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

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Yes Lou I agree that there needs to be a 3rd category, one for those of us who enjoy both BASE jumping as well as skydiving. Maybe I'm in the minority with the BASE community, but I still thoroughly enjoy my time when I'm skydiving. There are so many cool things for me to do (freeflying, tracking dives, wingsuit dives, swooping, CReW) and on at least three of those, they are things that I can use to make myself better in the BASE environment (tracking, wingsuit for BASE and CReW). But I'm also a BASE jumper (albeit just a newbie) and weather permitting I will be at the Perrine next weekend. But I am no jet setter (as someone earlier referred to some of us out of towners). I am someone who drives 10 hours each way to and from Twin Falls as I feel the drive is worth it for myself to gain some much needed experience in the slightly safer confines of the Perrine Bridge.

As far as our tanning guy is concerned. I know there is one person here who is definitely qualified with the appropriate BASE experience, military gear experience and over all good guy with a good head on his shoulders capable of talking with someone without going over the deep end (BPS for those who haven't figured it out). But the question remains as to what he feels about all of this and does he think it is worth the effort to talk to the tanning guy?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Treejumps 0]

"I started BASE jumping at the age of 8 using a buddys Airforce round from the roof of his house"

Now that has got to be the funniest thing I have read all day. I just have to ask, do you really beileve that? What if you went from the dog house with a umbrella? Off the curb with beachtowel? All this time and I had no idea I was hard core when I was 5 and went in out of a tree house and broke my leg. I wonder if that made it into the incidents reports for that year? Now I've heard it all.

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> Tree (others place your name here if it applies)... ...you're far from representitive the BASE comunity
JP, I often read you very interesting posts about parachutes, skydiving, whatever. You write down very nice and instructive things.
Here, I am fraid, you are completely out of context.
Yes, Tree is not THE representative of the BASE community.
But, I am afraid, Tree expresses his very personal thought that, by chance, results to be the same thought as 95% of active BASE jumpers (Felix belongs to the othere 5% ), all over the world.
As Tree said, and without causing you, JP, offence:
1) if you are not a BASE jumper
2) and/or if you do not BASE jump at Perrine
any personal opinion of yours is out of place. If you do not know the sport of BASE jumping (and only an active BASE jumper can know, and I am not talking about someone that has hucked himself a couple of times off an object, maybe a span), you cannot argue about what is right for BASE and for Perrine and what is dangerous (=could lead to have the S shut down) for BASE and for Perrine.
The fact that BASE is not regulated by law does NOT mean that Mr. Bill one morning wakes up and decides to throw high school kids off a bridge.
Skydiving has got rules and these rules can be quite easily enforced. In fact, you can only skydive off an airplane taht has taken off at a drop zone, so, if Mr. Bill hasn't got a regular licence (evidence of proper training), without donning a TSO'ed rig, without an "in-date" packed reserve and without a proper insurance, you simply do not allow Mr. Bill to step onto aircraft. It's quite simple. And this is also the reason why skydiving is quite a safe sport and why they succeed in keeping a very low fatality rate in the sport of skydiving worldwide.
BASE jump happens to be only ten 10 times more dangerous than skydiving and:
1) BASE hasn't got rules
2) even if BASE had got rules and licenses and whatever, I see it very, very unlikely to succeed in enforcing such rules (if there is not pilot onto aircraft, it's very unlikely that aircraft takes off by itself; an object, I am afraid, is "there" all alone, impossible to think to police any jumpable object in the world).
So, the fact that it is NOT forbidden by law, it NOT a good idea to throw Mr. Bill off a bridge.
Can Mr. Tanman throw Mr. Bill's off the Perrine? Yes, he can.
Is a good idea that Mr. Tanman throws Mr. Bill's off the Perrine? No, it's not.
Which are the chances that if a Mr. Bill (thrown off the Perrrine by Mr. Tanman) goes in, they shut the Perrine up? There are very high chances.
As I wrote in anther post, a "public" object is helpless, without defence, it is there, anybody can hurl himself off of it.
In the end, it is all about statistics/probability/chances, as life, in the end, is.
It is NOT what you can do or what you cannot do.
It is about reducing the chances of fatalities in a certain activity trying to enforce some rules/laws/prescriptions/warnings in order that the accidents in such activity are minimized.
If properly trained BASE jumpers with proper gear and proper weather jump off the Perrine, the happening of a fatality is very, very low.
If Mr. Bill is thrown off the Perrine by Mr. Tanman with old gear, maintained who-knows-how and who-knows-how-often, in the long run, which do you think the probability of a fatality will be? Write here your answer........................
In the end, when about BASE jump, it is NOT about laws and/or writen rules, it is all about good and old common sense.
Any real BASE jumper (and here for "real" I do not mean Superman, I mean an active and well trained and well experienced BASE jumper who know how difficult is to have a number of jumpable objects available... ...without jumpable objects you simply cannot do the sport) would say EXACTLY the same things Tree wrote.
What would you think, JP, if I showed up at YOUR own DZ without a licence, with questionable rig on my shoulders, reserve not sealed, without an insurance and I said to you: "Let me step up into the plane, let me step up into the plane, I want to skydive!!!!"
What would you do me? I tell you what you would do me.
You would stamp a huge footprint on my buttocks, that's what you would do!!!!! And you would be completely right!!!!!!!
So, JP, if you are NOT into the sport of BASE, you cannot understand what Perrine is for an American BASE jumper, a safe place where you can learn, a safe place where you can enjopy doing your favourite sport, so you cannot imagine what a shut down of Perrine wuold be for the "average" american BASE jumper.
I live quite far away, I live in Italy, here we have quite few legal object (by legal I mean that they are NOT illegal, but that would be a longer discussion...) and quite a few "do-it-at-night" objects, so, personally I am not directly involved on a shut up of the Perrine.
But it comes that firstly it happens that I made my first four BASE jumps off the Perrine, and so I am sentimentally involved with the bridge, and secondly, I would feel very sorry and very sad for my American friends if all of a sudden the authorities go and shut the Perrine down.
Just my 0.02€.

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com

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I would be interested in getting the opinion of the BASErs on the ethics (from a BASE ethics perspective) of the practice known as "deathcamping".

Edited to add: By "deathcamping" I mean in the context of experienced BASE jumpers dispatching non-BASE jumping friends off an object on a one-time basis.

I think it's worse, actually. Experienced BASE jumpers ought to know better. The tanning guy, on the other hand, really has no other context. He's not part of the BASE community, doesn't know it's ethics,and isn't trying to have an impact on it.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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Reason: Camp 2 cant see that Camp 1 wants BASE to stay as safe as possible................ fucking madness...........

I get that alot from skydivers. I've met quite a few who pretty much see BASE as madness, so they can't see why we care about safety or ethics.

It's kind of like how non-jumpers feel about skydivers.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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Tree...you're far from representitive the BASE comunity. Your limited view won't let you see beyond the mental E you're about to strike. The majority of BASE jumpers I've met (and called my friends) will look upon your rantings and immediately see you for what you are.

I'm not trying to wound you or put you down here JP, but;

Most the BASE jumpers you knew from the DZ in Davis (I can't speak to your experience in SoCal, obviously) were people who were viewed as relatively unethical by most BASE jumpers. In fact, _they_ (the people you thought of as BASE jumpers) were exactly who many BASE jumpers were thinking of when they complained about "skydivers". The general consensus in the BASE world is that many of their antics (like jumping the Big Stone at 7pm, for example) were a clear demonstration of the problem with "skydivers" BASE jumping.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Now that has got to be the funniest thing I have read all day. I just have to ask, do you really beileve that?

Do I believe what, that I did it? Yes I do. How many times did you jump off a building with a real parchute as a kid? I didn't know there was an age/ altitude requirement for BASE now. But hey, if it made you chuckle good for you, glad I could make you laugh. I don't need anyones approval or nod, what I do, I do for myself.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

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well Tom I can say that I am part of Camp 3. I am new to BASE as I have 10 jumps now and just bought my own shit. but the whole point JP, Lou, and others are trying to make is this. You want to be left alone doing your sport or objects which you feel you are entitled to use. This guy wants to run his little weekend huck people off the bridge thing and be left alone also. One has nothing to do with the other for sure. He is not teaching people to BASE and get into the sport. He is giving people a thrill ride. As for the people that say what would it do for the bridge and the community if he did kill someone? Well, from the looks of things absofuckinglutely nothing. Just like when BASE jumper kill themselves on that bridge. Nothing happens, except he would probably never do it again. So pull your head outta your ass and realize he is not trying to fit into your little slice of the world, he is carving his own way. He is not a representitive of the BASE community.

~chachi

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Until I mentioned it, I didn't hear one of you make mention of trying to protect this spot by actually talking to this guy face to face and watch what he does before making judegement.

I actually suggested that in my very first post, in the first thread on this topic.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Most the BASE jumpers you knew from the DZ in Davis

I probably know a few more jumpers than you think from the NorCal.

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I don't know how that distinction was made other than those who feel that anyone who skydives is not a BASE jumper. So what does it mean when a BASE jumpers skydives?

In general, BASE jumpers will view you as a "skydiver" based on ethics and community considerations, rather than on whether you spend time at the DZ or not.

In that sense "skydiver" is generally a term used to describe someone who either (a) rejects some basic ethics of our sport, or (b) simply hasn't learned them yet.

In that sense, most of "camp 3" (skydiver/BASE jumpers) is actually part of "camp 1" (BASE jumpers).

The thing that BASE folks object to isn't the act of skydiving. It's the attitude (which I've seen running rampant at some DZ's) that "I am bullet proof and I'll do whatever I want, and screw you guys." "Skydiver" is short hand for someone with this attitude. It's not a fair label (as it generalizes about all people who skydive). Nonetheless, it's the commonly used label in the BASE world (which use results in countless misunderstandings and hard feelings--as in this thread).

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[Treejumps 0]

If it makes you feel special to consider dragging a round off your moms roof a base jump...... well.... your special. But to call that kitty stunt (which yes, at 8 years old I would have thought it was cool too) a BASE jump is giant stretch. If Jack and Jill went up the hill did they just climb K2? Same deal.

Cya.

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Well, from the looks of things absofuckinglutely nothing. Just like when BASE jumper kill themselves on that bridge. Nothing happens, except he would probably never do it again.

I'm not sure that's true. If some non-jumper local died out there, I think the community outcry against jumping would be much greater than if a "tourist BASE jumper" did. As I said before, there is a big difference between a "BASE jumper" (in the communities perception) getting killed, and the 17 year old daughter of your neighbor doing the same.

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He is not a representitive of the BASE community.

Actually, to the people of Twin Falls, he is. How should they know the difference?

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So pull your head outta your ass

Thanks. I'll continue to try my best. I'll also remember that you said that to me.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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hell, a lot of people don't even consider rollovers a BASE jump. So I don't think the roof would count.

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If it makes you feel special to consider dragging a round off your moms roof a base jump...... well.... your special. But to call that kitty stunt (which yes, at 8 years old I would have thought it was cool too) a BASE jump is giant stretch. If Jack and Jill went up the hill did they just climb K2? Same deal.

Cya.

I expected such a response from you, thanks for proving me right. Like I said, what I do, I do for myself, not for anyones approval least of all yours.


Getting back on topic: I just hope that with all the energy that we have spent here talking about this, someone will take the time to check into this guy's operation and help keep this site safe and open for everyone.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING