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Motherhucker nailed it when he said that Don was the F/U. one should never call the authorities.



Well, there were two F/U's here. Neither one makes the other right.

I agreed earlier that Don should not have called the Sheriff.

Problem is, the Sheriff WAS involved... and at that point they should have respected the Sheriff's request in order to maintain a good public image.

I have to wonder what those guys did to get Don SO upset that he felt he had no choice but to call the Sheriff. Don is a very nice, accomodating guy... seems like you'd have to go out of your way to make him mad.

- Z
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P is open. who was the first to jump it



Pretty sure that was MD from Canada. At least the security guys there told me that he jumped it well before FB did.

I'm pretty sure that he jumped both "event" objects in KL well before FB visited. And did at least a few jumps with full cooperation of the owners. No need for a film crew, no big sponsorship, no thumbing his nose at the building security.

I believe it was MS from Sweden who first jumped the smaller tower up north of there. Again with cooperation of the owners, and again without the need for a big song and dance act to prove how cool he was, get some sponsorship dollars, and sell some energy drinks.

My point is that those objects were already "opened" in that sense. And that all FB's antics were likely to do was piss off the building owners enough to make events harder to organize. Thankfully, a bunch of other BASE jumpers, who are a little more thoughtful of the rest of us (like AB and SS) jumped in there to get the legal events going. I'd say that building is "open" _despite_ FB, not because of him.
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give up, the site is burned forever. Name it. If i have the resources I will jump on my own any site



Space,

The point is not that you could do a one off jump from a site, given enough resources.

"Burning" means many things. In my mind, having the authorities declare jumping of a previously legal site to be illegal is the worst form of burning.

By your definition, that flatbed didn't "burn" the Captain. I believe it did.
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I am not aware of Red Bull sponsoring Bridge Day. Can you enlighten me? I think there is a miscommunication here.



Hmmm. Last year they had a "Red Bull Athletes and their groupies only" area right at the exit point. I can only assume that was because they had given some kind of sponsorship to the event. Perhaps Jason can explain the relationship in more detail.

I must admit that this particular bit of publicity nauseated me. Apparently you had to get some pass from the cool Red Bullers to get into their private lounge area. I almost puked when I saw their bouncer tell Moe Viletto that he wasn't allowed. It seemed insane to me that some Red Bull flunky was telling Moe that he wasn't "cool" enough to be in their private "BASE jumper" area. Space, I'm sure you know who Moe is. For those of you who don't, all I can say is that Moe has forgotten more about BASE than I will ever know.
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I almost puked when I saw their bouncer tell Moe Viletto that he wasn't allowed.



what-what-WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

Must... restrain... myself...
Must... restrain... myself...

What a bunch of...

Must... restrain... myself...
Must... restrain... myself...

>:(

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

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What Zennie says!!!
Yikes! Jason, MH/SM, Whatzzup wit dat? I think fair is fair. It´s time for a "High Noon" Put up or slink into the before with the tail betwixt. I smell a righteous challenge. Make it right,
take care,
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I smell a righteous challenge.



Tell you what...

If by some miracle I ever got a GoFast sponsorship I'd be more than happy to participate in an Energy Drink Smackdown.

;)

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

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I had a contract with Red Bull for BD2003. Nothing in the contract included Red Bull VIP's or athletes at the Saturday night party. I was just as upset with Red Bull as you all were. Red Bull also conveniently forgot to provide Red Bull and Vodka for the party (only beer), to which I quickly proclaimed a breach of contract. They say they forgot........

However, keep in mind that some of you probably drank $70 worth of Red Bull throughout the weekend and several of you took home some cool prizes (some were cash prizes). Red Bull's sponsorship allowed me to offer more to Bridge Day jumpers.

Rest assured that Red Bull will not be a part of the Saturday night party this year, however, we are currently working out a sponsorship for 2004. So I guess I'm sort of caught in the middle here......

...then again, maybe you guys might want to tar and feather "certain" jumpers when they show up this year?

EDIT: Tom, regarding your Moe Viletto comment....there were no Red Bull bouncers, nor was there a specific Red Bull area at the Saturday night party. You are seriously misinformed about that. The only thing that Red Bull had at the Holiday Inn was a serving bar where some of their VIP's could get free drinks. Moe apparently tried to get free drinks from the Red Bull bar, to which he was denied.

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Last year they had a "Red Bull Athletes and their groupies only" area right at the exit point


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>>>Felix/RB has brought to the Publics attention BASE more than any other factor if I am not mistaken. whether this is good or bad is an individual decision. BASE is actually being perceived as a sport now and more acceptably legally due to the publicity and the skills of such as DW, JC, SM, and numerous national associations. Take care<<<

Space,

Brother, you and I go back a long long ways. Remember {insert flashback music here} when Deland first started using their ditch for canopy swooping and we laughed because all anyone did with it before was get drunk and fall in it . . .

Felix upsets people (including me) for one simple reason. What we marveled in, he profits from. What we parceled out for free in slow measured increments to only the right people (in most cases), he sold outright. What we loved, he pimped.

The biggest turn-off is not his bravado (which I applaud) it’s his lack of humbleness and respect. I’m working the Basic Research front desk one hot Perris afternoon when in walks Felix. (Everybody, comes through that door sooner or later).

“Hello,” he announces, sounding a lot like California’s current Governor, “I’m Felix Baumgartner, and this is my video tape.” He thrusts the video into my hands and moves on. Anne Helliwell, who doesn’t use the F-word often says, “What the F was that?”

It never really got any better after that . . .

Felix is standing on the shoulders of the BASE jumpers who went before him, but he never mentions that. He acts as if there where no jumpers before him. Now, I do realize, and even credit him, with learning how to play to the whuffos in the grandest terms of any aviation huckster that came before him. But, that’s not really the point of it all, is it?

And, I'm sorry, but Felix didn't create the impression of BASE that the public (thank God) now has. That image was generated by 25 years of BASE jumpers standing up for their freedoms by paying fines, losing their gear, and going to jail. Many paid much more then that.

We, me, you, and everyone else, are just links in the chain of pure human flight, nothing more, nothing less. Start freaking acting like it . . .

Nick D :)BASE 194

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EDIT: Tom, regarding your Moe Viletto comment....there were no Red Bull bouncers, nor was there a specific Red Bull area at the Saturday night party. You are seriously misinformed about that. The only thing that Red Bull had at the Holiday Inn was a serving bar where some of their VIP's could get free drinks. Moe apparently tried to get free drinks from the Red Bull bar, to which he was denied.



What was the area out by the exit point, during the day? I believe it was officially called the "Red Bull Party Zone" or something like that? Anyway, that's the area I'm talking about.

I doubt I was misinformed, because I was standing there watching the events I reported in my post.

I'm not pointing fingers at you (or anyone else, really) here, Jason. I just thought the "Red Bull Athletes Only" area out there by the exit point was a little rich.

I _did_ get free Red Bull from their bar at the Holiday Inn on saturday night. Fortunately, one of the GoFast guys was there to provide the vodka out of a brown paper bag.
-- Tom Aiello

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space wrote:
>>Petronas is open. who was the first to jump it and therefore deem it<< >>possible for competitions to the officials.<<

Yo! Space, maybe I'm not quite reading it the way you meant it,
but are you saying that FB's poach opened the object for others?
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Yo! Space, maybe I'm not quite reading it the way you meant it,
but are you saying that FB's poach opened the object for others?


How can you deem it as a poach? He won it fair and square. Justify your statement Bro and then I will reply.
fair is fair, put up.
take care, I do miss funnin with ya.
space

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where I grew up a
building jumped in that manner
is known as a poach.
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I almost puked when I saw their bouncer tell Moe Viletto that he wasn't allowed. It seemed insane to me that some Red Bull flunky was telling Moe that he wasn't "cool" enough to be in their private "BASE jumper" area.


does it matter if his name were Moe or Victor,president or a farmer??
To me not,i can puke if people who has better names than others should be allowed somthing that people whith out a big name are allowed to...

I know it aint the way you mean it Tom i just saw that one..I think if it were the case(as you describe,but that Jason dont think),then RB should have an open area for all the athlets at the place,and not just open it op to sponsored or high profil names...

I need a sponsor so i can try out BD one day:D

Just my thourght...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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Space,

Felix upsets people (including me) for one simple reason. What we marveled in, he profits from. What we parceled out for free in slow measured increments to only the right people (in most cases), he sold outright. What we loved, he pimped.



Surely you should count manufacturers selling gear to the ill prepped.


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The biggest turn-off is not his bravado (which I applaud) it’s his lack of humbleness and respect. I’m working the Basic Research front desk one hot Perris afternoon when in walks Felix. (Everybody, comes through that door sooner or later).

“Hello,” he announces, sounding a lot like California’s current Governor, “I’m Felix Baumgartner, and this is my video tape.” He thrusts the video into my hands and moves on. Anne Helliwell, who doesn’t use the F-word often says, “What the F was that?”



I think that Felix has about 18,000usd worth of gear. “What the F was that” was the sound of 9 rigs and 12 canopies going over to other manufacturers. Forget the exposure.


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It never really got any better after that . . .

Felix is standing on the shoulders of the BASE jumpers who went before him, but he never mentions that. He acts as if there where no jumpers before him. Now, I do realize, and even credit him, with learning how to play to the whuffos in the grandest terms of any aviation huckster that came before him. But, that’s not really the point of it all, is it?



Actually, he specifically thanks me on every mission for my teachings. He gives credit to me and I have been born of the first generation (meaning I am 2nd) so his thanks are to the guys who helped me, and those were the pioneers.

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And, I'm sorry, but Felix didn't create the impression of BASE that the public (thank God) now has. That image was generated by 25 years of BASE jumpers standing up for their freedoms by paying fines, losing their gear, and going to jail. Many paid much more then that.

We, me, you, and everyone else, are just links in the chain of pure human flight, nothing more, nothing less. Start freaking acting like it . . .


Follow your own advice, It is good. I follow it also. I aint much good at acting.
Shall every jumper that is being paid to do a spot require a reflection moment to pay homage to the pioneers? I think it would be cool and righteous. But time is money and it won´t happen until BASE ethics are a LAW. Funny how when one hates something they make it come true. They become it. There is a lesson in that, I know not what it is, but it is there as I passby a graffiti every workday proclaiming “Kill All Nazis”.

I am totally agreement with you that what we love, he pimps. Do you do Tandems, AFF?
The romance is going away. It is becoming mainstream. It´s like one´s special mate being bonked by all your friends and then the mate is not so special any more. So is life. Shall we as a collective run like scared dogs for eternity? That is up to the individual. Funky aint it. Making rules for rule breakers. She is not so special any more, but FB aint the source. Only a target for those like you and me feeling that the romance of BASE is gone.
Take care my friend,
space

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In which manner? I took the term "Poach" as a negative. Did FB Earn the Title of WTB #1 or not in your opinion?
Take care,
space

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Hi Faber,
i was not at all pissed when the secret service didn´t allow me in to Governators (arnie) VIP area. I could have pushed the issue but I was being humble. Forgive them lord, they know not.. check out the self promotion foto. i feel less of a person because of this moment in time. But I did have fun.
take care,
space
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i was not at all pissed when the secret service didn´t allow me in to Governators (arnie) VIP area



Nice pic.

Da Governator shoulda let ya in. Y'all were stylin. :)
His loss. ;)

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

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I love that color blue on you.

What a hottie!:P
$kin.

Prizes to anyone who gets to read my posts before Mr Aiello's son, Tom deletes them.

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Wow Space,

You sure do dress up pretty. I didn't see that outfit when we partying in Kjerag. At any rate, you have your work cut out for you trying to convince BASE jumpers that Felix is any good for BASE. Its great that he gets free base adventure, and hopefully RB throws you a couple shillings for technical advice, and keeping Felix from getting hurt or killed on ordinary, simple jumps that everyone does without making a giant deal out of it. I think that it is bad to publisize illegal jumps, use them in commercials, and coporately sponsor them. If fact I think RB should be charged with conspiracy to tresspass, endangering John Q. Public, and for helping Felix impersonate a BASE jumper.

Red Bull, A Small Can for A Small Man (Felix).

I think you should be working in Hollywood with that tux. Keep up the great work.

Tree :P

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Tom, I reread your original post and you were correct. There was a Red Bull area at the exit point as well (with mostly local VIP's, only a few athletes), and yes, only Red Bull people were allowed in there. In exchange for the free Red Bull drink, free DJ and sound system, we gave them a small spot at the exit point. The jumpers have their own area as well, complete with free Red Bull to drink. There was really no reason for jumpers to even enter the Red Bull area, because the jumper area already had tons of free Red Bull to drink.

The fact that Moe was not permitted in the Red Bull area was justified. Jumpers have their own space, Red Bull has a small space of their own. There was also an FBI van at the exit point. I'm sure the FBI would not have permitted Moe in the van as well.

Please note that despite having worked with RB this past year, I do not agree with most of what Felix stands for and I also have issues with the recent Perrine waterski stunts that caused problems. Those issues are being mentioned by me to RB USA.

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What was the area out by the exit point, during the day?.


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There was a Red Bull area at the exit point as well (with mostly local VIP's, only a few athletes), and yes, only Red Bull people were allowed in there.



I noticed a fair number of cute girls pulled out of the crowd and invited in, too. I think it was the "rock concert" mentality of it that bothered me.

I'm pretty sure the FBI didn't hand out passes to their van at random to people they thought looked cool.
-- Tom Aiello

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There was also an FBI van at the exit point. I'm sure the FBI would not have permitted Moe in the van as well.


How nice of FBI to support our community..If we coouldn´t go into their van they might allow us to jump from the van??(now how cool would that beB|:D)
Did FBI give free spy-ware to jumpers aswell:D:ph34r:

Hey Tom,dont be jealous about the girl thing(to the RB area),remember the real reason we are there are to make some jumps:Pand not getting sex-related deseases:ph34r:

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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I don't hand out #'s.
So, did the poach open the object?
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