mkp 0 #1 July 12, 2004 Hello guys. I got a few questions about the exertion of pin rigs in the base environment. I've seen some people not closing their flaps on low jumps - others do. What is the commonly recommended setup here? Or does it depend on the containers used or is it rather a psychological question and closed flaps do not really hesitate the opening at all? Another technique I've seen was to put only half of the pin through the loop. Do you guys do that? If so, what altitude do you start doing this? Do you have to adjust the length of the closing loop for different jumps or is this rather not necessary as long as you don't switch between ultra low and terminal all the time? What else 'pin-rig-specific' do you have to consider when preparing a pin rig for a jump? I read in an older thread that many of you favor the Morpheus Tec. Gargoyle. Did anything change in this respect recently? cya mkp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #2 July 12, 2004 I'm certainly not qualified to answer either of your questions but I will point you to this thread over at Blinc: http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21575 There is some discussion there about when it is appropriate to open the flap. Looks like it depends upon the specific rig and how it is constructed. Sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #3 July 12, 2004 I've freefallen my Warlock/Ace from 280 & 240 several times and 210 once. Generally, when I go below 300 I'll prime the pins to halfway. At 240 & 210 I also left the flap open. Does any of this matter? I have no idea, but it at least added to my comfort factor. On the 210 jump my bottom pin had unusually high tension, so we popped the top pin and shifted the packjob upward a bit to relieve the tension. One thing I have heard of folks doing on ultra-low jumps is to replace the dacron closing loops with spectra. I don't have a set, though I'll probably have Brit make me a pair. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 July 12, 2004 QuoteI've seen some people not closing their flaps on low jumps - others do. What is the commonly recommended setup here? Or does it depend on the containers used or is it rather a psychological question and closed flaps do not really hesitate the opening at all? This totally depends on the particular rig. Some rigs need it, some don't. In fact, some rigs should be packed with the flap closed every time, even at low altitude, because the flap causes no inhibition at all (mostly the "crossover" rather than "around" style 2 pins, and the Prism). Call the manufacturer of your specific rig and ask them. Or post the model of your rig and we can discuss it here. QuoteAnother technique I've seen was to put only half of the pin through the loop. Do you guys do that? If so, what altitude do you start doing this? I do it. I do it on all my slider down jumps, and anything where I'll pull low. The only jumps where I don't do it are wingsuit jumps, or terminal aerobatic (backtracking, for example) jumps. QuoteDo you have to adjust the length of the closing loop for different jumps or is this rather not necessary as long as you don't switch between ultra low and terminal all the time? My closing loops stay the same length. I only adjust them for different canopies, but since I don't swap canopies between rigs that often, it's no big deal. I do change out my closing loops for loops of different material (spectra) but the same length, for ultra low (sub 200') freefalls. QuoteI read in an older thread that many of you favor the Morpheus Tec. Gargoyle. Did anything change in this respect recently? The Gargoyle and the Prism 2 are my favorite pin rigs. I slightly prefer the Prism 2, but I think choice of rig is really personal preference.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mkp 0 #5 July 12, 2004 Are there any other 'tricks' out there regarding two pin rigs you should know about? thx so far mkp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #6 July 12, 2004 I have not primed my pins for any jump in my 4 years of jumping pin rigs (280 jumps). Trust me when I say that the P/C has enough snatch force to get the job done. Prime the pins. How silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #7 July 12, 2004 I believe you Kevin, but piece of mind makes me do it too ... 260 jumps. Edit: Kevin, there are some pics of you on Bolts website.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #8 July 12, 2004 OK...I'm still a newbie myself but.... If I was going on these types of jumps I would be setting my gear up like I had been previously instructed, or how my mentor/experienced person taking me on the jump suggested. From this posting it sounds like you might not have someone experienced to take you on the jumps you're thinking of making. I hope you you are jumping with someone who can help guide your decisions.And you're not just thinking..."Sure I can freefall 210 now My flaps are open and I have spectre closing loops" I don't mean to give you a hard time, I just had to throw that passed everyone. Good luck! Have fun Don't die~J"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryguy1224 12 #9 July 12, 2004 I currently have 50 jumps total, all on my pin rig and I love it. When it comes to low objects, 300 and lower, I prime my pins. I doubt it does anything but it makes me feel better. I just got my "B" a few days ago and it was about 250'. I freefell the object. To prepare I primed my pins and left the flap open( don't suggest doing this if its possible to rub up against anything)and Ialso opened up my shoulder flaps. I know it may not have done anything, but it made me feel better and I opened up a lot higher than I thought I was going to. Heard my pins pop for the first time too. That was pretty sweet. One thing that is great about pins is that you can always adjust the tension based on your packjob or the closing loop. I have never adjusted or changed out the length of my closing loop but its easy to adjust the pack job to change the pin pressure. Anyways thats what I have to say about jumping with pins. Hope it helps but its just my opinion. Bryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveO 0 #10 July 13, 2004 I love the sound of ripping velcro in the morning! I love my Gargoyle too! "When it comes to BASE, I'll never give advice, only my opinion" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #11 July 13, 2004 I heard that B was 270 Congrats on yer B ~J"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #12 July 18, 2004 QuoteI have not primed my pins for any jump in my 4 years of jumping pin rigs (280 jumps). Trust me when I say that the P/C has enough snatch force to get the job done. Prime the pins. How silly. how low were thouse jumps? I mean.. if you do ultra low stuff it can matter,so to me it dosnt seems sillyBut agree that on regular jumps priming the pins shouldnt be nessary if you dont have too much tension on the loops,or dont plan to either jump low or pull low.. just my 2£ Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #13 July 19, 2004 QuoteI have not primed my pins for any jump in my 4 years of jumping pin rigs (280 jumps). Trust me when I say that the P/C has enough snatch force to get the job done. Kevin, what altitudes are we talking about here? I've seen noticeable hesitations on go and throw deployments with unprimed pins (heck, I've seen them with primed pins, too), when the PC didn't immediately extract a tight pin. Under 200', you can bet I'll prime the pins--and switch to spectra loops, and tweak the container, and even do a voodoo chicken fast-opening dance just before exit.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #14 July 19, 2004 QuoteUnder 200', you can bet I'll prime the pins--and switch to spectra loops, and tweak the container, and even do a voodoo chicken fast-opening dance just before exit. Ya know a bucket of KFC extra crispy will make Jobu smile on you just the same. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterBase 1 #15 July 19, 2004 Quote...and even do a voodoo chicken fast-opening dance just before exit. Okay, this one I have got to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #16 July 19, 2004 Quoteand even do a voodoo chicken fast-opening dance just before exit. Ha ha i i know that dance however it can be used in the time line(thouse "2-3mins"from were you let go of the pc and untill it opens your canopy),whith good proofs looking forward to see your dance as i starts to get problems whith birds(as im doing it in the air),as they kind of fall in love whith me As Zennie said priming pins can help you out on a brain fart at rather funny objects Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
