PC throw and go techniques

[leroydb 0]

what do you do? Do you rubber band the bridle or hold it? Do you hold the mesh for a faster opening or do you hold the outer skin of the pc??

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[badenhop 0]

Rubber band the lines?
What lines?

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[Rauk 0]

Do you mean a hand held go and throw, and yes what lines?

[leroydb 0]

reread please... typo

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[badenhop 0]

Rubber band the bridle?!
Huh?
Sounds deadly.....

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[pringles 0]

If your thinking that you would rubberband the bridle to shorten the distance for the bridle to travel. I think it is a bad Idea. Also I don't think it would stay. Maybe I am wrong but I would think you would want all the snatch force generated by the length of bridal on a go and throw.

Matt Davies

[Rauk 0]

Yeah, rubber bands would be bad.

Also you would definitely want to hold the mesh and not the outer skin.

[badenhop 0]

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Also I don't think it would stay.

That is exactly the deadly risk, that it would stay.
With a very short bridle, you may never get any 'snatch force'.
That could lead to problems, like death for starters.
When using bridles AND pilot chutes, please do not use rubber bands.
There's a use for a rubber band on a bridle using static line (break chord),
a topic which may just be fitting here;
if it is such a low jump that throwing and going are in order,
and if inflation time is so seemingly critical,
maybe you should consider it low enough for static line or PCA,
then things like bridles and mesh are no longer such a concern.
It is my opinion that holding the mesh is not necessarily the answer,
as that is not really any guarantee of quicker inflation.

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[Skydawg 0]

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what do you do? Do you rubber band the bridle or hold it? Do you hold the mesh for a faster opening or do you hold the outer skin of the pc??

Hold the bridle, toss the PC up just before the apex of your launch, and try JU's super mushroom http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=933902;search_string=Super%20mushroom;#933902

[TomAiello 26]

Definitely don't rubber bad the bridle. The best technique for fastest freefall inflation appears to be pitching the entire PC bundle straight up over your head at exit. I'd guess that using a super mushroom would yield the least potential for hesitation in this situation.

The name of the game here is consistency, not speed. Random hesitation is what will get you.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[DexterBase 1]

And before taking any techniques to a low object, practice doing simulated, "low jumps" from an object with a good margin for error. Practice setting up for a low jump and bang out a bunch of jumps as if you were exiting low. (If you have a buddy that can laser the top skin of the canopy as it inflates you will get a better picture) Don't experiment with any new technique on a jump where a tiny variance can put you in the dirt.

Once you're confident that your method is yielding the consistancy required for the margin of error you have to work with, then you can work the exit altitude down gradually.

Oh yeah, rubber bands have no business anywhere near a pilotchute. The only place I could see using one is to loosely s-fold the excess bridle when doing techy static line jumps. I'm not even sure if that's common practice anymore.

Bottom line: consistency is the key, and keep those damn rubber bands away from your PC!



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[Faber 0]

why do you think we we use a 9ft bridel? to support the rubberband inmdustry??

dude read a manual or ask a Jumper,honest.. if you dont know how to do your pc but knows how to SL i think somthing is wrong

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[pullhigh 0]

Why don't you just give me a shout and we can meet at an object and I can show you what to do?

That A I told you about before would be the perfect spot.

Ganja

[leroydb 0]

I thought I was asking jumpers here? There is a large range of jumpers here to get advice from. I was just asking to see what others were doing. So in the future can you please use a vocal tone more conducive to actually helping someone?

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dude read a manual or ask a Jumper,honest.. if you dont know how to do your pc but knows how to SL i think somthing is wrong

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[Treejumps 0]

I think that Faber's tone was consistent with the question being asked. Rubber band the bridle? In 6 years of BASE I've never heard anything like that. Where did you pick up that nugget of advice? I think that Faber was showing concern for you safety, or lack of it based on the info you provided. A rubber band on your bridle is black death! Find someone who knows what they're doing and spend some time jumping with them, and you will survive much longer.

Cya.

[evilivan 0]

Don't want you to feel like you are being picked on dude, but please tell me that the subject title of your post is the wrong way round?

"If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation."
David Brent

[Zennie 0]

I have some video of me freefalling 210 using the "throw-up" technique. I'll post some stills later.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[TomAiello 26]

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Don't want you to feel like you are being picked on dude, but please tell me that the subject title of your post is the wrong way round?

Actually, "Throw and Go" is a term I've heard in common use from many people. It's also a fairly good description of an ultra low freefall deployment, as the PC ought to be inflated and pulling _before_ it reaches the level of the exit.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[evilivan 0]

Fair enough.

"If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation."
David Brent

[TomAiello 26]

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Also you would definitely want to hold the mesh and not the outer skin.

Rauk, can you elaborate on this further?

When I do ultra low freefalls (sub 200'), I am generally holding the ZP of the PC. I've made around 50 successful freefalls in this range using this technique.

I generally S fold the entire PC and extra bridle into a softball sized wad, then pitch it hard, straight up, to bridle extension.

I've also seen this technique used with a super mushroom style bundle, which may be superior by virtue of helping reduce the chance of hesitation. In that case, you're holding pretty much all ZP (and virtually no mesh).

The only time I'm holding exclusively mesh is when I do very low freefalls (sub 160') on a specialized setup (non-standard gear).

Could you give us a more detailed description of your technique?

Thanks!

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[base311 0]

first timers also have a tendancy to do 'throw and goes'... afraid they're gonna go in if they don't whip it out fast enough.

Throw n go! You can see a lot of them at the bridge.

[Rauk 0]

Of course Tom, I would be happy to. I took some pictures but they're too big to attach here (i have a 36 on my rig right now, so just for looks). I will send them to you if you like, better than me trying to explain it.

[FIREFLYR 0]

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first timers also have a tendancy to do 'throw and goes'... afraid they're gonna go in if they don't whip it out fast enough.

Throw n go! You can see a lot of them at the bridge.

I did a few last month at the bridge you can almost see people pull their heads back as my pilot chute flies up.

"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act"

[Faber 0]

Dude, i also ask Q´s all the time,but not really public.Just ask Tom if he should start taking mony to answer all my stupied Q´s,no bad thing about that...You just need more different personal oppinions than your asking for..

But i simply are concerned about you,as you post and ask Q´s i thourght most newbies should know were to get answeres from.. sorry,but asking about rubberbands on your pc is to me just stupied,as you should know by now why we use a 9th bredal and not a 6 ft.... if not.. hmm

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So in the future can you please use a vocal tone more conducive to actually helping someone?

no i cant as im a girlish voice like sophran that are trying to help you through whith out getting you hurt,if you can´t see my concern then...

what Tree said,get in touch whith real jumpers that can tell what to do...

I cant say that help on the net wont help,but i dont think your doing it the right way.If telling you that makes me look bad/evial to you thenm let it be so.BASE is about life i dont want death closer.. that simple..

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[Zennie 0]

OK now that I'm home. I've attached shots of my throw-n-go out west.

In the first one I'm throwing upward pretty much the instant my feet leave the edge. In the second one you can see my PC is fully inflated and the bridle is at full stretch above the launch point.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon