freakydiver 0 #1 January 23, 2004 This should probably be moved to another thread (your wish is my command ~TA) - but I've done about 35-40 ground crew nights and I've found that there are just as many things that can go wrong in a "high" alti jump as a "low" alti jump. It seems to be a common misconception in newer jumpers that a "higher" jump is safer. Be safe out there C as I know you will - hope to fly with you soon! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #2 January 23, 2004 Quotethere are just as many things that can go wrong in a "high" alti jump as a "low" alti jump. usaly i joke about the high slider up jumps are dangerus,but in fact if you can track so far away from the object so you cant hit it in a 180,then its safer than low jumps. How ever i feel more safe at slider off jumps Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #3 January 23, 2004 Of the three major injuries I saw - two were on a's of 700 feet - of course, this was over 7 years ago and my how far gear has come... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #4 January 23, 2004 as i only have 1 slider up jump im might not the right one to tell,but from 700ft im sure you cant make such a fair track that you can clear the object. that said i dont know what happend on the incedents you talk about,it could be a genneral thing anyway. Personaly i dont like sliders as they seems to interfeer whith onheadding(says the guy whith 1 slider up).I would any day take a deep delay off 600ft slider off(near or 4sec) rather than use a slider.but thats just me.Other more experienced jumper has no problems on playing whith sliders from thouse altis.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #5 January 23, 2004 Quote It seems to be a common misconception in newer jumpers that a "higher" jump is safer. Just look at the BASE fatality list - people die on high alti jumps! I went out to Norway with a skydiver with 3 jumps of "that cliff" and his take was it was a skydive................. that attitude will kill people........... Just because you exit at 3000ft does not mean its any safer that exiting at 300ft - it just means there are other things to take into account.................... its a fixed object jump and each jump is a different beast to the last one................ even if its from the same object!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bps 0 #6 January 24, 2004 You've brought up a good point -- skydivers automatically think that higher altitudes bring safety. From an equipment standpoint only, a 2 second slider-down delay is much safer than a 4 second delay slider-up. Simply put, sliders introduce several variables into the equation, and the potential for malfunctions increases dramatically. Given the choice, I'd much rather see a beginner learning in a slider-down environment on a forgiving object vs. most higher-speed slider-up jumps. (there are some exceptions) C-ya, Bryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K763 0 #7 January 25, 2004 I've been taught that the 4-7 second delay slider up cliff or building jumps are the most dangerous, with Dr. Nik being the perfect example of this theory. At 4-7 seconds you don't have time to get much of a track going, so you're still close or fairly close to the object, then you have the chance of the slider creating a pivot point which can lead to off-heading openings. This is exactly what happened to Nik, and he had the unfortunate extra problem of the sail slider in his configuration. I've also seen people do fine on a 500' bridge jump, then totally blow the 3000' cliff. I've seen more people have incidents off the 3000' cliff than off the 200' static line cliff, as well. Of course, this is just within my limited range of experience, but at least the theories make sense. Take it easy, and if it's easy, take it twice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #8 January 28, 2004 I do terminal A jumps all the time. They're pretty much my bread & butter jumps. And they still scare the crap out of me. I tend to agree that slider-up, and especially terminal, jumps aren't the best way to train a newbie. A beginning jumper has far to many things to worry about as it is. Throwing potential 180s, line twists & poor altitude awareness into the equation is just asking for trouble. The ground comes up really fast at terminal. Deceivingly so especially at night. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
