SL with "SL-carry-with-you" setup

[base689 0]

Hello there,
The present post is to inform you that last week I did a SL jump with the SL/break cord with "SL-carry-with-you" set up. Perhaps I have been the first to use it, I dunno, for sure I have been the first in Italy to do it. Anyway, this post is NOT to brag about who is first to do what, but to share information.
One of our local A, horizontal handrail. I manufactured a "SL-carry-with-you" exactly as per the photo "sling.jpg" in the attachment, with the exceptions: 1) the Static Line is NOT made from spectra (or any other canopy line) but is made from a 4 mm dyneema climbing rope, whose sheath is quite hard/robust and the "kit" itself is quite stiff; 2) I did not have the 3 loops "sticked into themselves and sewn" but rather I did 3 knots (I dunno the name, it is a very good knot used in sailing...).
The set up with break cord is exactly as per the "Static2.jpg" attachment.
I had the "branch-attached-to-bridle" of the kit to stay on the upper side with respect to horizontal handrail: the purpose of this being is that once you break the break cord, the whip stroke you have as a result is towards "UP", so not hitting anything along the way. If I had the "branch-attached-to-bridle" of the kit on the lower side, for sure in the whip stroke it would have hit any part of the steel structure below, not that this would mean automatically entanglement, but, you know, just in case... being in the upper side, it simply CANNOT hit anything.
My jumping mate, who witnessed the deployment (no, he did not have his videocamera at this stage... ) did NOT notice anything strange.
Deployment was clean as usual and I did NOT leave anything on the structure , diferently from #726, who left his SL onto the structure (we will recover it next time)
My next step is to have my rigger to manufacture the "SL-carry-with-you" with the SAME dyneema rope as I have now but having the 3 loops done with the "sticked into themselves and sewn" technique and NOT with my very good knots, which are way bulkier than the sewn loops....
I will keep you informed on the setup!!!

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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[Faber 0]

could you post some info about how long your devise is at different places?
If not,could you mail me?(we talked earlyer).

Any thourghts about if the devise get stuck on the rail(thinking of having a ekstra breakcord on as suggested at Blinc),would it have any influence at offheadding,having 2 pulls (first normal SL and then "breakaway"from the devise)?

sorry if i dont explain good enough.

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[pbla4024 0]

And how do you create break cord sling. From my climber's point of view it's delicate job.

Fido

[Faber 0]

Hey a guys
Yeah i still love and jump this setup.(smaal storry and a thourght)

Yeasterday i went to my 150ft A,Wind and moon were perfect.
I climbed my A,at the platform i need to get my gear on then climb further 4-5 ft up inside the A,standing in the cornor holding the balance whith my feets i can just hook on my Carry on SL.At this place idont have much room to get out but its the only way unless i want to freefall it(which i dont due the LZ,and lack of balls).
The bridel is in the way as I climb out,its alway here even as its "wrappped up" whith a rubberband.
As i finaly get out on the outside of the A i need to place my foot on a stinger a like tranmitter thing(bar to hold it),and place my foot in the cross bar on the A it self,theres no room to stand up right there(theres nothing to hold on),so im hanging in my arms away from the A by my torso.The PC caught slightly the Air,its just outside my face to my right.

Now its time "3 2 1 C Ya" im off,wow that ground is rushing towards me will that canopy ever crak open?
"Bang" its there on toogle out fly the point below the exit point were i dont want to land,flying half brake all the way i know i might have a rugh landing but its just a feild and i have the full batel gear on.Im landed,only tipped my right knee and the pad had now mud on it. im all good.Call my phone crew and tell im alright.

Did i tell i love theese kind of jumps?

Anyway thinking back the fall and the SL fellt as it usaly does. canopy on headding,time to pop toogles and fly some distance,all in all a regular jump...

Untill i get home and get the gear out.. i have lost my carry on SL, all i have inside my gear is 2 pieces of breakcord and the rapid link i usaly use aswell."DAMNIT" i had a Carry on SL cut away/hang up and didnt notice it..

Next day(today i went back whith my stills cam(you know the young phothografer just walking arround weired places for no reasson) I brourght my 300mm tele but cant see the carry on SL at the exit point,it aint up there...

I walk my landing patern which also is inside the windsector ,and find my carry on SL near the place i landed.
Makes me wonder,it couldnt fly/fall that long itself as it wasnt that windy as i jumped.
Looking at the rapied link theres on it it has some marks which i guess is were it has snagged as i jumped.
It seems to me that as i jumped the carry on SL has snagged the structure enough to cause the break of my "cut away cord" but not enough to actualy stay up there.

I feel really pleaces that i found my Carry on SL today as im not packed and the wind is too hard to have a go tonite which spare me for a total of 300ft climb

Just a happy storry on this device.

Has to add that i have inspected my gear and the preformance of the carry on SL made sure that neither i or my gear has been harmed.

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[councilman24 37]

I'm confused. What broke to separate the carry with you SL from the bridle? It sounds like you found it in one piece.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[nicknitro71 0]

Dude 150' and you did not FF Loser

I don't even go to the bathroom without my CWY S/L, it's that good

Memento Audere Semper

903

[Faber 0]

i use a peice of break cord to attach the carry on to my Bridel,that whay if i have a "hang up" (the SL some how entangle whith the object and hold on so i could rip my centercell,then the brakcord will brake leaveing the SL up there(the idea) leaving me under a canopy that hasnt been ripped appart

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[Faber 0]

the 150 ft is to LZ its more likely 135ft or so to impact at this small dirt hill just below exit point

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[councilman24 37]

Okay. Got it now.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[Faber 0]

just to let people know
This link is Andreas pic from previus in this tread
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=11433;

instead of conecting the carry on directly to my bridel i use a peice of breackcord.

I do belive Andrea is doing the same theese days?

Dexter?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[base689 0]

> I do belive Andrea is doing the same theese days?
Yes, indeed, that's what I am still doing.
My mates (...finally...) realized how "good" is the CWY that they commissioned one for each of them to a local rigger. Actually, what they commissioned are fast C.W.Y.'s, which is a version of C.W.Y. with a small carabineer that allows to rig same fast CWY on exit point in a matter of seconds.

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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[Faber 0]

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what they commissioned are fast C.W.Y.'s, which is a version of C.W.Y. with a small carabineer that allows to rig same fast CWY on exit point in a matter of seconds.

exactly, i use less time to hook up my Carry on SL at the exit point than it takes me to tie the knots..

I use rapid links through

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[base689 0]

> I use rapid links through
Yes, of course rapid links are very good for the purpose.
Using rapid links, though, can have the following 2 disadvantages:
1) being "wide open without any retention" (once open) you could lose them while operating in a very dark environment
2) the edge of threaded part of the screw is razor sharp and could tend to cut the textile part of CWY upon continuous use

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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[TomAiello 26]

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2) the edge of threaded part of the screw is razor sharp and could tend to cut the textile part of CWY upon continuous use

You can help this by opening the link in advance, and covering the sharp edge with electrical tape. Once you've got everything in place and ready to screw down, remove the tape and close the link.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[base689 0]

> You can help this by opening the link in advance, and covering the sharp edge with electrical tape. Once you've got everything in place and ready to screw down, remove the tape and close the link.
Yes indeed. And you can avoid all the above using "my" special small carabineer (bought in a nautical shop), that, in addition, has got a small "grommet" to which is sewn a part of the fast CWY, making impossible to lose it.

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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[nicknitro71 0]

I guess great minds think alike

Here is the set up I've been using. Instead of the fancy-nautical-store-carabineer I got the super-non-fancy-made-in-china-Walmart verity

Memento Audere Semper

903

[TomAiello 26]

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...special small carabineer (bought in a nautical shop)...

Todd Shoebotham (now of Apex) showed me those a while back. I think he started using them sometime in the early 90's.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[base689 0]

Hi Nick!
Of course, in this matter there is no "must" and no "standard". Your China carabineer looks really nice.
I post here as follows of the setup of my fast CWY (with no break cord loops, I am afraid, but now it is clear where they must go

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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[Faber 0]

why have you made your carry on from 2 peices that you close together whith the carabiner? i dont see the reasson for that?


Ill upload stills of my setup in a few mins

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[pBASEtobe 0]

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I got the super-non-fancy-made-in-china-Walmart verity

You don't worry about those piece of junk fake carabiners breaking before the breakcord does. This might bring up the whole debate about 80lbs. vs. 160lbs. needed to break the breakcord. 160lbs. on those junk 'biners kind of scares me.

[Faber 0]

SL1 Shows my Carry on SL

SL2 Shows my Carry on sl as i bring it hooked to the bridel whith the big rapidlink

SL3 shows how i connect my carry on SL to the object. both rapidlinks will be conected to the attacchment point of my bridel.

NOTE: i ONLY use the large rapid links on my setup i have used different types to better explain here.

As i get to the exit point i simply take mt carry on SL arround the ancor point,open the rapidlink conects it to the breakcord and the bridel,there you go ready to jump.

I think ill look after Andreas carabiner they looks cool for 1 hand hook ups on difficlut places.

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[Faber 0]

i dont even belive my small rapid links will break(need too much force) however im not testing it so i use them big onces at this point

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[pBASEtobe 0]

I think a rapid link would be fine that wouldn't scare me but that wal-mart junk does.

[pBASEtobe 0]

One disadvantage to using a carabiner instead of a rapid link would be that after the main breakcord breaks and the bridle is pulling the CWY SL off the object there is a possibility of the carabiner hitting something on the object hard enough to open the gate and catch itself on the object. I guess this is what the second bit of breakcord is for but still...

[base689 0]

> why have you made your carry on from 2 pieces that you close together whith the carabiner? i dont see the reasson for that?
And where else would you put the carabineer?!?!?!?
I definitely DO NOT want to have the carabineer close to the structure!!!!!

Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
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